By Anastasios Georgiou
For us Orthodox Christians, our identity is the Orthodox Faith – not the “Orthodoxy of the priests,” or the Orthodoxy of Ecumenist Hierarchs… but the Orthodoxy of Christ, the Holy Apostles, the Prophets, and the Holy Fathers. This is Orthodoxy, for which we must all struggle, and if need be, even give our lives, as did the millions of martyrs who witnessed for the Faith.
The genuine Orthodox Christian is not drawn to Ecumenism, which accepts Roman Catholicism or Protestantism as true churches to whom we must show co-operation and love. Yes, we must love them, but we must love in Truth because divine Love is always united with Truth. God sends the power of His Love when He is worshiped “in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24) As Orthodox Christians we love everyone, and we desire that they come to know the Truth. This is what the “God of Love” teaches us. We do not hate anyone because of their heresy or infidelity to Christ, but we will also never love infidelity or heresy for the sake of any person, because that will alienate us from God.
Ecumenism tries to find common ground between the faith of Orthodoxy and heterodoxy, never considering the fundamental differences between the two. Ecumenism proclaims that there is salvation in all religions, thereby overturning the very foundation of the Christian faith and rejecting the teachings of Holy Scripture, which states, “It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth … Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:11-12)
Ecumenism even goes so far as to alter Orthodox worship. In Assisi, Orthodox Hierarchs participated in pan-religious events and joint prayers and eulogies with heterodox and even with non-Christians (Muslims and Jews). In Canberra, Australia, (6-3 General Assembly of the World Council of Churches), the Ecumenists even invited pagans and idol-worshippers to joint prayers to persuade the Orthodox conscience that deep down, a church is no different than a mosque in a person’s spirituality. How does this new belief not nullify our salvation in Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit? If humanity’s salvation and theosis is possible elsewhere, then what is the purpose of the Old Testament Prophecies, the Incarnation, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, Pentecost, and the Church as the Body of Christ? Do these actions of the Ecumenists not demonstrate outright rejection of Christianity? Furthermore, in Geneva, the General Secretary of the WCC, Eugene Blake, invited the world’s religious leaders to a joint liturgy and prayer service at St. Peter’s Cathedral, where everyone prayed in their own language and according to their own confession of faith. The purpose of this was to unite everyone in common prayer to the same God, but not in truth.
All this is done in the interests of the New Age Movement, and not for “Truth in Christ,” or for unity “in Truth.” And yet the Holy Gospel of Christ rejects as false such actions and pretexts. When Ecumenists reject us, who uphold Holy Scripture, as fanatics and fundamentalists, they should realize that they not only scorn and reject the Holy Apostles and Saints of the Church, who we imitate, they even scorn and reject the Lord, Himself, who said. “will you also go away?” (John 6:67)
And yet, it is not only these betrayals which cause the flock to be divided, for there are too many others to be listed in this text. If our present-day hierarchs truly loved Christ the Saviour, they would act as did our Holy Fathers, by making sacrifices for the Orthodox Faith, rejecting Ecumenism, and vigorously opposing the idolatrous, blasphemous, and secular forces of this world. Such love demands a rebirth in Holy Orthodox Tradition, but also a unification of all Orthodox faithful through the Sacramental and Liturgical sharing of God’s uncreated Grace in the life of the Holy Orthodox Church.
Orthodoxy’s presence in today’s world must first be Sacramental and Liturgical, a salvific way of life that is found only in the Orthodox Church, the only vessel that can carry us safely through every storm. It is only within this Church that one finds the greatest treasure – the experience of Divine Liturgy and all its worship. This infinite treasure encompasses and preserves the fulness of the Christian Faith, the Mind of God and His Laws as expressed by the Apostles and Holy Fathers, the lives of the Saints, and the meaning of our very existence. If there is anything of unlimited value in this world that is worthy of every sacrifice, even our very lives, it is the Orthodox Faith, which was given to us by Christ, fought for, preserved, and passed down to us by His Holy Apostles, Holy Fathers, Martyrs, Saints and every righteous man or woman of our Holy Orthodox Church.
Therefore, follow in their footsteps and stop scandalizing the Faithful by leading us towards disobedience, heresy, and spiritual failure. We can no longer bear to watch the degradation and humiliation of Orthodoxy. We can no longer bear the belittling of Christ, the only true God, Whom you lower to the level of other false deities. Nor can we bear to see you consorting with the powers of this world, because you “love the praise of men more than the praise of God” (John 12:43).
What a great fall for you! In which god do you “shepherds” believe then? Your works show that you believe in the god of Ecumenism, who is none other than the enemy of Christ, the Antichrist, the god of the New Age. Do you not realize that Ecumenism is a pan-heresy that incorporates all other past and current heresies? How, therefore, can you expect obedience from your flock, when you are leading us to the “jaws of the wolf”? The Holy Gospel warns us to stay far away far from bad shepherds, for they are “ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15) The faithful members of the Orthodox Church of Christ, will never submit to the unworthy shepherds of Ecumenism. They will remain steadfast to the True Faith and will fight vigorously against the traitors of Orthodoxy and her Holy Traditions.
Repent, therefore! Don’t be obstinate in your denial of the phronema and mindset of the Holy Fathers, who never compromised the Faith with heretics and the rulers of this world. Instead, they preferred to endure torture and even death, to uphold The Truth. The Lord, Himself, gave us our Orthodox Church, which we confess in the Creed; and it is only this Church of Christ that has the Grace to lead us to salvation. No other religion or Christian denomination can do this because only Orthodoxy rightly teaches the Gospel of Christ, which you, Ecumenists, distort and undermine. Please stop deceiving the flock of Christ! Stop scandalizing the faithful! Our cup of patience has overflowed. Fear God, Who was also crucified for your salvation. Repent! … before it is too late.
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Ο Σκανδαλισμός του Οικουμενισμού
Του Αναστασίου Γεωργίου
Για μας τους Χριστιανούς Ορθοδόξους, ή ταυτότητά μας είναι ή Πίστις μας και η Oρθοδοξία. Όχι Oρθοδοξία «των παπάδων», όχι τῶν Οἰκουμενιστῶν επισκόπων … αλλά Ορθοδοξία του Χριστού, των Αγίων Αποστόλων, των Προφητών και των Αγίων Πατέρων. Αυτή είναι η Ορθοδοξία, για την οποία πρέπει όλοι μας να αγωνιζόμεθα καὶ εάν χρειασθεί να δώσουμε και τη ζωή μας ακόμη, όπως τα εκατομμύρια Μαρτύρων τής πἰστεώς μας.
Ο γνήσιος Ορθόδοξος Χριστιανός δεν παρασύρεται εις τὸν Οικουμενισμό, πού λέει ότι ο Παπισμός είναι εκκλησία, ο Προτεσταντισμός είναι εκκλησία και πρέπει να έχουμε συνεργασία και αγάπη … Ναι, αγάπη! Αγάπη όμως εν Αληθεία, διότι ή Παντοδύναμος Αγάπη συμπορεύεται πάντοτε με την αλήθεια. Ο Θεός διοχετεύει τη δύναμη τής Αγάπης Του, όταν προσκυνήται «ἐν πνεύματι και αληθεία» (Ιωανν. 4,24) Ως Ορθόδοξοι Χριστιανοί αγαπούμε όλους καὶ επιθυμούμε να έρθουν σε επίγνωση της Αληθείας. Έτσι μας δίδαξε «Ο Θεός τής αγάπης». Δεν μισούμε τους ανθρώπους εξ’ αιτίας της αιρέσεως ή της απιστίας των, αλλά και δεν θα αγαπήσουμε ποτέ, μα ποτέ, την απιστία των ή την αίρεσιν χάριν των ανθρώπων, διότι θα αποξενωθούμε από τον Θεόν.
Ο Οικουμενισμός προσπαθεί να βρει κοινά σημεία πίστεως μεταξύ Ορθοδόξων και ετεροδόξων. Ποτέ δεν έλαβε υπόψιν τις βασικές διαφορές που υπάρχουν μεταξύ Ορθοδοξίας και Παπισμού. Διακηρύττει ότι και στις άλλες θρησκείες, ακόμη και στις μονοθεϊστικές, υπάρχει σωτηρία … Έτσι ανατρέπει την θεμελιώδη Χριστιανική πίστη, ότι «ουκ έστιν ἐν άλλω οὐδενὶ ἡ σωτηρία» (Πραξ. 4,12) Ἐν ολίγοις, απορρίπτει τον λόγο τής Άγιας Γραφής.
Προχώρησε ακόμη και στο λατρευτικό επίπεδον. Στην Ασίζη, Ορθόδοξοι Ιεράρχες συμμετείχαν σε πανθρησκειακές εκδηλώσεις και κοινές συμπροσευχές και δοξολογίες με ετεροδόξους, και μάλιστα με Ιουδαίους και Μουσουλμάνους. Στην Καμπέρρα της Αυστραλίας (Ζ’ Γ. Συνέλευση Π.Σ.Ε.), οι Οικουμενιστές κάλεσαν σε συμπροσευχές ακόμη και ειδωλολάτρες, για να αποκτήσουν οἱ Ορθόδοξοι συνείδηση ότι κατά βάθος, μία εκκλησία, ή ένα τζαμί… αποβλέπουν στην ίδια πνευματική καταξίωση του ανθρώπου. Αυτό δεν είναι αυτόματη διαγραφή της εν Χριστώ σωτηρίας και του Ἁγίου Πνεύματος; Αν υπάρχει και κάπου αλλού δυνατότητα σωτηρίας, δηλαδή θεώσεως, τότε γιατί ή εν Χριστώ αποκάλυψη, προφητεία σαρκώσεως στην Π. Διαθήκη, και της ενσαρκώσεως στην Κ. Διαθήκη; Γιατί η Σάρκωση, ἡ Πεντηκοστή, ἡ Εκκλησία, ως Σώμα Χριστού και κοινωνία Αγίων; Αυτές οἱ πράξεις των Οικουμενιστών δεν φανερώνουν απόρριψη του Χριστιανισμού; Επίσης στην Γενεύη, ὁ Γενικός Γραμματέας του Π.Σ.Ε. Eugene Blake, κάλεσε τους ηγέτες όλων των θρησκειών σε μία ὑπερομολογιακή λειτουργία και προσευχή στον καθεδρικό Ναό του Αγίου Πέτρου, όπου ὁ καθένας προσευχήθηκε στη δική του γλώσσα και σύμφωνα με το τυπικό της θρησκείας του. Ἡ ενέργεια αυτή είχε σκοπό να συνυπάρξουν στην λατρεία του ίδιου Θεού.
Όλα αυτά γίνονται για τα συμφέροντα της Νέας Εποχής, και όχι γιὰ την «ἐν Χριστώ αλήθεια», τη ην «εν Αληθεία» ενότητα. Και όμως, το Ιερό Ευαγγέλιο του Χριστού διαψεύδει τις διάφορες προφάσεις και ενέργειες. Όταν οι Οικουμενιστές μας απορρίπτουν και μας περιφρονούν ως φανατικούς και φονταμενταλιστές, ότι δεν έχουμε «πέντε κλωνάρια μυαλό», να γνωρίζουν ότι απορρίπτουν και περιφρονούν τους Αγίους Αποστόλους και τους Αγίους της Εκκλησίας, τους οποίους μιμούμεθα. Αλλά απορρίπτουν και περιφρονούν και αυτόν τον Κύριον, ο οποίος μη θέλοντας να συνάξει οπαδούς θυσιάζοντας την αλήθεια είπε «Μη και ὑμεῖς θέλετε, ὑπάγειν» (Ιωάννης 6,48). Και δεν είναι μόνον αυτές οι προδοσίες των. Είναι πάρα πολλές που είναι δύσκολο να αναφερθούν σ ’αυτό το κείμενο, που γίνονται αιτία να διχάζεται το ποίμνιο της Εκκλησίας.
Αν αγαπούν τον Σωτήρα Χριστό και θυσιάζονται για την πίστη όπως οι προηγούμενοι Άγιοι Πατέρες, πρέπει να απορρίψουν τον Οικουμενισμό και να αντιμετωπίσουν σθεναρά τις δυνάμεις του κόσμου και τις μεθοδεύσεις του. Αλλ’ αυτό απαιτεί την αναβάπτισή μας στην Ορθόδοξη Παράδοσή μας, αλλά και την ενότητα όλων των Ορθοδόξων με την μετοχή στην άκτιστη Θεία Χάρη με τα Μυστήρια της Εκκλησίας. Η παρουσία της Ορθοδοξίας στο σύγχρονο κόσμο οφείλει να είναι πρωταρχικά Πνευματική και Λειτουργική. Η Θεία Λειτουργία, με όλη τη λατρεία μας, είναι ο σημαντικότερος θησαυρός μας, διότι περικλείει και διασώζει δυναμικά το φρόνημα και τη ζωή τῶν Ἁγίων μας, την πίστη και τον Θεϊκό νόμο και τρόπο της ύπαρξής μας. Αν υπάρχει κάτι το πολύτιμο εδώ εις την γῆν, για το οποίον αξίζει να δώσουμε τα πάντα και αυτήν την ζωή μας, είναι ἡ Ορθόδοξος Πίστη του Χριστού μας, τῶν Ἁγίων Αποστόλων, Μαρτύρων, Ιεραρχών, Οσίων, δικαίων καὶ πάντων τῶν Ἁγίων Πατέρων της Ορθοδόξου Εκκλησίας μας.
Βαδίστε, λοιπόν, στα ίχνη τους και πάψτε νὰ σκανδαλίζετε τον πιστό λαό οδηγώντας αυτόν εις την ανυπακοή και τον αποτειχισμόν. Δὲν ἀντέχει άλλο νὰ βλέπει την ισοπέδωση του Χριστού στην πράξη, με τις διάφορες θεότητες. Δεν αντέχει άλλο να βλέπει την ταπείνωση τῆς Ορθοδοξίας. Δὲν ἀντέχει άλλο να βλέπει να ταυτίζεστε με τις δυνάμεις του κόσμου, διότι αγαπήσατε «την δόξα των ανθρώπων μάλλον ἢπὲρ την δόξα του Θεού» (Ιωάννης 12,19). Τί κατάπτωσής! Αλήθεια, σεις οι «ποιμένες» σε ποιόν θεόν πιστεύετε; Τα έργα σας φανερώνουν ότι πιστεύετε στον θεό του Οικουμενισμού που δεν είναι άλλος παρά ο εχθρός του Χριστού, ο Αντίχριστος! Η μήπως δεν γνωρίζετε ότι ο Οικουμενισμός είναι παναίρεσις και οι υπηρετούντες αυτόν είναι αιρετικοί; Πως έχετε λοιπόν την απαίτηση υπακοής από το ποίμνιο, τη στιγμή που το οδηγείτε «στο στόμα του λύκου»;
To Ιερό Ευαγγέλιο μας συμβουλεύει να μένουμε μακριά από τους κακούς ποιμένες, διότι είναι «λύκοι άρπαγες» (Ματθ 7,15) Τα πιστά μέλη της Εκκλησίας του Χριστού, δεν πρόκειται ποτέ να δείξουν υπακοή στους ανάξιους ποιμένες του Οικουμενισμού. Θα μείνουν σταθεροί στην πίστη και θα αγωνισθούν σθεναρά κατά των θεοκάπηλων προδοτών της Ορθοδοξίας και των Πατερικών Παραδόσεων. Μετανοήσατε! Μη γίνεσθε αρνησίχρηστοι, αρνούμενοι το φρόνημα τῶν Ἁγίων Πατέρων οι οποίοι ποτέ δεν συνθηκολόγησαν με αιρετικούς και άρχοντας του κόσμου τούτου σε θέματα πίστεως,
αλλά υπέστησαν τρομερά βασανιστήρια, ακόμη και θάνατον. Ο Κύριος μας παρέδωσε ΜΙΑ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ, που ομολογούμε στο Σύμβολο της Πίστεως, και μόνον αυτή ή Εκκλησία του Χριστού έχει τη Χάρι να οδηγεί στη σωτηρία της ψυχής.
Καμία θρησκεία εκτός της Ορθοδόξου Χριστιανικής, και καμία Χριστιανική ομολογία δύναται να οδηγήσει στη σωτηρία. Αυτό διδάσκει το Ευαγγέλιο του Χριστού, το οποίο δυστυχώς σεις οι Οικουμενιστές με τα έργα σας το διαγράφετε. Σας παρακαλούμε! Μη γίνεσθε θεομπαίχτες! Μη παραπληροφορείτε το ποίμνιο του Χριστού! Μὴ συνεχίζετε να σκανδαλίζετε τον πιστό λαό. Το ποτήρι της υπομονής του ξεχείλισε. Φοβηθείτε το Θεό, πού σταυρώθηκε και για τη σωτηρία σας. Μετανοήσατε… Δεν είναι αργά.
As an Orthodox Christian, I affirm my faith in Jesus Christ as the only source of salvation and the Orthodox Church as the Church established by Christ. Yet, I also endorse dialogue among other faith traditions, what you call ecumenism. There is no way one can become Orthodox, except through dialogue. “Faith comes through hearing of theword of God” says the apostle Paul.
I totally agree with JK and further, take issue with many of the conclusions of the author, beginning with, “Ecumenism tries to find common ground between the faith of Orthodoxy and heterodoxy, never considering the fundamental differences between the two.” The first part of that statement is true; however, the second part is totally false. If the differences were not considered, then we would have re-united with Rome long ago. Half truths throughout the article followed by conclusions and accusations… And, first and foremost, Jesus Christ gave Himself for the life of the world. He died and rose to save humanity; He did not die for the “Orthodox Church.”
Dear papman and JK. I do believe you have missed the point of the article. Please do not make the mistake of confusing Ecumenism with the Ecumenist Movement. Ecumenism is the dialogue which you speak of whose aim is to enlighten people of other faiths and draw them to the one True Church of Christ – Orthodoxy. Ecumenism does not compromise Orthodoxy. The Ecumenist Movement, however, is a compromise of Christ and Orthodoxy to the extent that union with other faiths is sought through common worship, with no conversion to Christ whatsoever. Here, people of other faiths do not renounce their faith to accept Orthodoxy and Orthodoxy is treated as just another faith, espousing a heretical philosophy that all faiths lead to salvation. Do you not recall the words of Ab Elpidophoros who said that there are many paths up the mountain? Or the words of Bartholomew who said that the Holy Synods are “the walls of shame that must be brought down?” The Ecumenist movement does not lead to Christ but away from Him. It leads to a common pan-religion, one world religion of the New Age Movement, alongside one world government and one world currency, all of which will serve to usher in the Antichrist. This is the path that our Greek Orthodox Hierarchs have chosen. Please wake up to reality.
Interesting article by Mr Georgiou ,who by reason and Scripture quotations ,tries to prove that Ecumenism participation is wrong.
In Logic we know that Faith and Reason are incompatible and it is impossible to prove, validate, exalt Faith by Reason as then it becomes something else ,not Faith!
Its also unacceptable that we have a book called “Holy Koran “which because it is labeled as “Holy “
demands that its adherents to its tenets should think, that women are stupid, wives must be beaten by their husbands for disobedience, all women will go to Hell unless they please their husbands and women must always cover their curves so men will not get excited and rape them!
Also ,if one reads Sira and Hadith, which are the eye witness accounts of the life and traditions of Prophet Mohammad ,then one will learn that he was a rapist , pedophile ( wife Aisha was 9 years old) ,mass murderer, bandit ,torturer ,liar and sex slave trader!
The Koran condemns to death the apostates from Islam, the blasphemers,the Hypocrites, the adulterers and the homosexuals and that is how it flourished for 14 bloody centuries.
So ,instead of fighting other Christians ,its ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO STOP MARGINALIZE AND DISEMPOWER ISLAM THAT CONTINUES TO TERRORIZE THE WORLD THROUGH JIHAD AND SOFT JIHAD OF INFLUENCE AND IMMIGRATION IN ORDER TO IMPOSE SHARIA ISLAMIC LAW!
ISLAM IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH GENDER EQUALITY, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, HUMAN RIGHTS, DEMOCRACY AND OUR CONSTITUTION.
It is vital that everybody on Earth is aware what Islam has in-store for us.
For more info on Islam go to YOU TUBE for: ApostateProphet,Exmuslims,David Wood,Ayan Hirsi Ali,BrigitteGabriel,BillWarner,Politicalislam.org,PamelaGeller,Jihadwatch,Nonie Darwish , Wafa Sultan,Richard Dawkins on Islam,Ani Cyrus , Geert Wilder,obsession – what the West needs to know.
Also Google: Wikiislam, The religion of peace,barenakedislam, MEMRI etc.
THE KORAN AT A GLANCE http://www.koran-at-a-glance.com/index.html
The deposition of Ayan Hirsi Ali in Congress on how to defeat Islam:
https://www.hoover.org/research/challenge-dawa-political-islam-ideology-and-movement-and-how-counter-it
Ecumenism has penetrated deeply the Orthodox Hierarchy and I do not see a hope that they can repent and change their path. I am afraid that the time has come for the establishment of the Orthodox Protestant Church, as the Protestants did, trying to escape from the Roman Catholic abuse of the Faith.
Your eminence, please bless.
Let us hope that the Orthodox faithful do not cause a schism as the Protestants did. Let us hope that God will either do away with our heretical hierarchs or that they, themselves (not us) will create the schism when they formally and finally stop beating about the bush and join the Vatican in common communion. Then, when they are anathematized by other truly Orthodox Bishops such as yourself, the Orthodox faithful can regroup as the one true Orthodox Church, nullifying current geographical barriers and jurisdictions. Let us hope that we do not do as the Protestants did, who rejected Holy Tradition and threw out the baby with the bath water.
Ο Οικουμενισμός είναι κατασκεύασμα της Νέας Τάξης Πραγμάτων και δι’αυτού επιδιώκουν να γκρεμίσουν το Κάστρο της Ορθοδοξίας το
οποίο είναι μεγάλο εμπόδιο στα σχεδιά τους. Ο Οικουμενισμός δεν είναι κάτι το καινούργιο έχει μεγάλο βάθος χρόνου, δια του χρήματος
έχουν ξεφτίσει σχεδόν ολόκληρο το πουλόβερ της Ορθοδοξίας. Ανήθικοι, ανίκανοι και ομοφυλόφιλοι ρασοφόροι προωθούνται ως Επίσκοποι σε θέσεις κλειδιά της Ορθόδοξίας που
αν δεν ήταν οι λίγοι που ακόμη πιστεύουν και αντιστέκονται συν Θεό, θα είχε ισοπεδωθεί.
Ο Σημερινός Οικουμενιστής Πατριάρχης προωθήθηκε για να αποτελειώσει το μακάβριο έργο του Αναθεματισμένου Μελέτη Μεταξάκη. Τούτος δε είναι πιο επικίνδυνος διότι αυτοί που
τον έστησαν τον κρατάνε από πολλές μεριές και τον εκβιάζουν και βλέπετε πως τα προβλέπουν και τα προλαμβάνουν όλα; ήδη προετοιμάζουν την Εμανουήλ για αντικαταστάτη που την έχουν
χειροπόδαρα δεμένη με ένα σωρό σύγχρονες μεθόδους. Θα με ερωτήσουνε πολλοί γιατί ολ’αυτά; H απάντηση είναι απλή, διότι γνωρίζουν πως όσο υπάρχει ο Οικουμενικός
Ελληνισμός και η Οικουμενική Ορθοδοξία είναι αδύνατον να εγκαταστήσουν την Παγκόσμια Κυβέρνηση η οποία είναι σε ομοιρία και κινάει τα νήματα πίσω από τις κουρτίνες και αυτό το γεγονός ότι είναι παρακράτος κρυμμένο ούτε τους ευχαριστεί ούτε τους βολεύει, Ελληνισμός και Ορθοδοξία είναι ΙΔΕΕΣ και γνωρίζουν πως οι ιδέες δεν εξαλείφονται από έξω
γι’αυτό χτίζουν το τοίχος της Προδοσίας για να τις ρίξουν. Η Θεία πρόνοια όμως τους προλαβαίνει και δημιουργεί τα δικά της τείχη, δεν είναι τυχαίο που ο Μεταξάκης δεν κατάφερε
να παρασύρει όλους τους Ορθοδόξους και δημιουργήθηκε το σχίσμα του Παλιού Ημερολογίου, ούτε είναι τυχαία η άνοδος του Πούτιν. Με τον Γιέλτσιν έτριβαν τα χέρια τους ότι
όλα τέλειωσαν και η παγκόσμια κυβέρνηση ήταν πλέον θέμα χρόνου κούνια που σας κούναγε, εκεί θα μείνετε σαν τους τυφλοπόντικες μέσα στις στοές η Ορθοδοξία είτε με το παλιό είτε με το
καινούργιο θα αντέξει όσο και αν συρρικνωθεί από τους Προδότες, διότι είναι σαν τον αγιασμό και την θεία κοινωνία που όσο και να λιγοστέψουν συμπληρώνεις με νερό και ανάμα αντίστοιχα και
ξαναγεμίζουν.
Αλιεύς
I will not engage in religious debates. I would rather read the psalms.
Then why are you reading these comments and commenting?
Amen Jane.
The Word says not to argue theology.
We’ve seen this episode before, folks…It’s 1439 all over again…the Pseudo-council of Ferrara, where Patriarchs and Synodal cronies became Judases…
We just need to figure out which of the Orthodox hierarchs will be as strong like Mark of Ephesus was in 1439, and simply stick with them. Let the remainder of the traitors preach their heresy in empty buildings and suffer from bankruptcy or Vatican “bail-outs” in exchange for their “loyalty” (yes, why don’t you show us how you live a life of poverty and fasting?)….
The Canons are clear…you only need 3 proper Orthodox bishops to preserve the entire Church, because it takes 3 bishops to tonsure additional bishops…Thank God, there are still a few solid ones out there, although the probability of finding any of them under the Constantinopolitan org structure is dwindling every day…
Η ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΙΑ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΞΕΦΡΑΓΟ ΑΜΠΕΛΙ ΥΠΑΡΧΟΥΝ ΚΑΝΟΝΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΟΜΟΛΟΓΙΑ ΠΙΣΤΕΩΣ,ΟΙ ΚΛΗΡΙΚΟΙ ΝΑ ΑΠΟΤΕΙΧΙΣΘΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΛΑΙΚΟΙ ΝΑ ΜΗ ΜΕΤΑΛΑΜΒΑΝΟΥΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΟΙΚΟΥΜΕΝΙΣΤΕΣ,ΚΑΙ ΚΑΘΕ ΣΠΙΤΙ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΗ ΚΑΤ ΟΙΚΟΝ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑ,ΕΝΑΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΣ ΧΡΥΣΟΣΤΟΜΟΣ ΕΝΑΣ ΜΑΞΙΜΟΣ ΟΜΟΛΟΓΙΤΗΣ ΕΝΑΣ ΜΑΡΚΟΣ ΕΥΓΕΝΙΚΟΣ ΕΡΡΙΞΑΝ ΠΑΤΡΙΑΡΧΕΣ ΠΑΠΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΙΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΙΣ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΘΕΙΑ ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΗΣΩΜΕΝ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΟΥΜΕ ΤΑ ΙΔΙΑ ΔΙΟΤΙ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΚΑΙ ΜΟΥΣΕΑ ΚΑΙ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΕΣ ΔΗΛΑΔΗ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΠΑΤΕΡΕΣ ΤΗΣ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΗΔΑΛΙΟ,ΕΠΙΣΗΣ ΕΠΙΒΑΛΛΕΤΑΙ ΑΜΕΣΩΣ Η ΕΠΑΝΑΦΟΡΑ ΤΟΥ ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΟΥ ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝΟΥ ΗΜΕΡΟΛΟΓΙΟΥ,ΩΣ ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΟΥ ΑΝΤΙΔΡΑΣΕΩΣ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΥ ΟΙΚΟΥΜΕΝΙΣΜΟΥ,
Can you list three?
Larissa,
Yes, and I have actually met even more than 3, across several Ecclesiastical jurisdictions (including Greek jurisdictions)…However, it’s not usually appropriate to paste [minority] names in a public [hostile] forum…they will become targets of retaliation. Let’s keep our spiritual eyes and ears open, so that we don’t end up like those indicated by the Psalms “they will have ears, but they will not hear….they will have eyes, but they won’t see…”
I have been hearing the same drum beat for 35 years, we are going to unite with the Catholics. All the Old Calendar groups play this broken record over and over. It will not happen. P Bart will not do so because of theological reasons but because of hubris. Bart is not going to submit to the Pope. Let me repeat that, Bart will not submit to the Pope.
I hate to break this to you jk, but very reliable monastic sources have confirmed that the union between our Freemason Patriarch and the Freemason Pope has already been signed, and just like all Freemasons, they are keeping it a secret.
Roya, that is a lie. You better get better sources. Besides, a secret union is no union at all. If there is a secret union why are the Ephrem monasteries in the US and the majority of the monasteries on Athos still under the Patriarch. You should repent for spreading such an egregious lie.
Roya, I continue to be dismayed by the malicious lie you present as being truth. I am curious to know who these reliable monastics you reference represent. If they feed this kind of venomous information to you and others they must be held accountable. I assume they desire anonymity emulating the evil one they represent. The evil one is a liar and those who follow him spread lies, even those who cloak themselves in monastic garb.
In an attempt to separate fact from fiction, let’s focus on some facts…There are some clear Canonical violations being perpetrated in plain sight, and I will begin from a key historical moment when Pope Benedict originally visited the Patriarchate in 2006 (Nov 29-Dec1). Without being an expert, I personally observed the following Canonical infractions being perpetrated during the live Television coverage (let’s refresh our memories here):
1) Pope Benedict (and some accompanying cardinals) was allowed to sit on the Bishop’s throne in St. George’s church during the service (reserved for Canonical bishops)
2) Pope Benedict recited and led the entire congregation with the Lord’s Prayer in Greek (flagrant violation of Canons concerning common prayer)
3) At the moment prior to Holy Communion when clergy forgive each other and embrace, Bartholomew came out of the altar, Benedict stepped down from the throne, and they met on the solea and embraced (again, reserved only for Canonical clergy)
4) They chanted a “Pheme” (Φημη) / “Polychronion” specifically composed for Benedict (again, this is unheard of in Canonical practice)
5) As a more “minor” infraction, we can at least mention the notion of Economia that was exercised allowing the Roman Catholic delegation even to be present…
There were a few more, but these examples should be sufficient to demonstrate that in fact Bartholomew and Benedict were already “united” in their hearts (recall our Lord said if you commit the sin in your heart, you’re already sinning, even if you haven’t proceeded to the actual “final act”)….
The slippery slope has accelerated since 2006, and even Elpidophoros’ comment at Leadership 100 in Feb. 2020 that he would like to offer Holy Communion to those not baptized, but married in the Church (another questionable canonical anomaly of our modern era)…this is a “backdoor” union if they allow it (Plan A)
We also see the Ukraine situation, where the questionable background and Uniate status of those who Bartholomew tried to “legitimized” by the “tomos” is still under scrutiny and debate…This is also a “backdoor Union” with Rome, if in fact the new contingent is still co-celebrating with Uniates.
I agree with JK that we don’t need to reference “mysterious unnamed monks” when flagrant Canonical infractions are occurring in plain view, but it is also clear from the above evidence that there is certainly agreement on Union, but it is being implemented with incremental (and sometimes devious) steps….the “slippery slope”.
ΕΙΝΑΙ ΘΛΙΒΕΡΟ ΓΕΓΟΝΟΣ ΟΤΙ ΟΛΕΣ ΟΙ ΑΥΤΟΚΕΦΑΛΕΣ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΕΣ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΘΕΣΠΙΣΕΙ ΣΥΜΠΡΟΣΕΥΧΕΣ ΜΕ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΛΛΟΔΟΞΟΥΣ ΛΑΤΙΝΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΡΟΤΕΣΤΑΝΤΕΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΑΡΑΒΑΣΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΚΑΝΟΝΩΝ,45 ΚΑΙ 65 ΤΩΝ ΑΓΙΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ,2 ΚΑΙ 4ΤΗΣ Γ ΟΙΚΟΥΜΕΝΙΚΗΣ ΣΥΝΟΔΟΥ,6 9 33 ΚΑΙ 45 ΤΗΣ ΣΥΝΟΔΟΥ ΛΑΟΔΙΚΕΙΑΣ,ΛΟΙΠΟΝ ΤΙ ΠΟΙΗΣΩΜΕΝ;ΑΣ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΕΥΣΟΥΜΕ ΟΤΙ ΑΥΤΗ Η ΠΑΡΑΒΑΣΙΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΡΟΣΩΡΙΝΗ ΔΙΟΤΙ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΚΑΝΕΝΑΣ ΟΙΚΟΥΜΕΝΙΣΤΗΣ ΤΩΝ ΕΠΙΣΗΜΩΝ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΩΝ ΔΕΝ ΣΥΛΛΕΙΤΟΥΡΓΗΣΕ ΚΑΙ ΚΟΙΝΩΝΗΣΕ ΣΤΟ ΙΔΙΟ ΠΟΤΗΡΙΟ ΜΕ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΛΛΟΔΟΞΟΥΣ,ΑΥΤΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΘΕΤΙΚΟ ΔΙΑ ΜΑΣ ΔΙΟΤΙ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΣΥΜΠΡΟΣΕΥΧΕΣ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΠΟΛΥ ΜΕΙΩΘΕΙ,ΑΝ ΤΟ ΤΟΛΜΗΣΟΥΝ ΝΑ ΤΟ ΚΑΝΟΥΝ ΤΟΤΕ ΤΑ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΑ ΘΑ ΞΕΧΩΡΗΣΟΥΝ ΤΗΝ ΗΡΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΟ ΣΙΤΑΡΙ,ΚΑΙ Η ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΙΑ ΘΑ ΦΑΝΕΡΩΘΗ ΠΟΛΥ ΕΝΙΣΧΥΜΕΝΗ,ΟΤΙ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΟΥΝ ΟΙ ΟΙΚΟΥΜΕΝΙΣΤΑΙ ΘΑ ΑΠΟΤΥΧΟΥΝ ΔΙΟΤΙ ΤΟ ΠΥΡ ΤΟΥ ΑΓΙΟΥ ΠΝΕΥΜΑΤΟΣ ΘΑ ΕΝΕΡΓΗΣΗ,ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΙΑ Η ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ,Η ΦΙΛΤΑΤΗ ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΙΑ ΠΑΛΙ ΘΑ ΝΙΚΗΣΗ,
Markos, as you may notice, Roya stated that an agreement has been signed. I challenge that lie and believe the reliable monks who told her this lie should be revealed and held accountable. My gut feeling is that this misinformation comes from some rogue un-canonical Old Calendar group, maybe even the group in Brookline.
JK,
I get your point, but I’m also advising against the spiritual trap of putting more value on “paper”, than on “actions”…
They’ve definitely “agreed” based on their public actions, and they are violating Canons left and right in an effort to accelerate our collective “comfort and familiarity” with a “formal” False Union…they probably have enough corrupt Synodical signatories ready to “sign” already (just like in 1439), but they are waiting for the right moment…they might be corrupt, but they aren’t stupid. The laity is still holding out a bit, and that’s what they have been afraid of for decades, although this last bastion of spiritual resistance is certainly decaying each year. They are banking that the new generations (of revenue producing intellectuals) are not going to mind a False Union (like their “uneducated” faithful predecessors did). Either way, violating Canons, publicly participating in common prayers, concelebrations with Uniates, the prospect of allowing non-Orthodox to receive Holy Communion, etc are even worse actions by clergy than the formality of signing a document, because they exhibit a defiance towards tradition, and express their desire for False Union in Action, not just in words…nevertheless, by “postponing” the official signature, they want us to fall into this False Illusion that False Union is not really happening by these “actions”….
I feel that those who authored and established the Canons of the Ecumenical Synods would largely disagree if they could appear and speak right now, and might even recommend the defrocking of many, many individuals with “big theological / ecclesiastical titles” right now.
The letter to Titus is clear that “after the first and 2nd counseling”, we are to “abandon a heretical man…” (especially if it is a hierarch)…There is no reason to stick around and wait for a “signature”…that makes us enablers of their unacceptable behavior…They can’t fund their hybris with empty buildings, my friend…Time to look around and find hierarchs (from any Canonical jurisdiction) that “walk the talk”….
Dear JK,
I was made to promise not to reveal the source of my knowledge, but but since this point is proving a scandal for you, may God forgive me for revealing that it was a Holy Elder whom you respect, who indicated that the secret signing had taken place. I do believe the elder did not want to spread the news in order to prevent a premature schism, but there you have it.
And, if I may add, I completely agree with Marcos. What difference does it make if there is a signed document or not? Do actions not speak louder than words? Are we so blind as to not see the signs of the times? Did Christ not say that we shall know them by their fruits? Why do you need to see a signed piece of paper when the writing is already on the wall?
Please open your eyes and your heart to the truth which is staring you in the face and flee heresy and temptation for the sake of your soul.
Roya, it was you who stated that there is a signed document based on information from an elder who swore you to secrecy. How do you know that I respect this elder? Is he in communion with the GOA and thus the patriarchate? If what the elder told you is true he should make it public. This is information that should not be held secret.
Marcos, though you make valid points, I have heard this message of imminent union for many years. Yes there will be dating of hierarchs with Catholics but never a marriage.
The elder of blessed memory is someone you know, love and admire (assuming you are an honest man and are not a liar yourself, or a plant of one of our heretical hierarchs) and he was in full communion with the GOA and the patriarchate. He also predicted that all the patriarchates will fall, and as far as I am aware, the majority of partriarchates at this point (if not all of them) are Ecumenist sympathizers. The Freemasons have successfully hijacked all the key positions for the New World Order.
Please do not press me any further to disclose the name of someone who has my confidence. I have full confidence that this elder is completely trustworthy. The elder had good reasons for wanting to keep it secret and him I trust, and his reasons for keeping it confidential I trust. On the other hand, I do not know you, nor do I trust you. How can I know you are not another wolf in sheep’s clothing fishing for information and trying to deceive the faithful by discrediting an elder, the way Sotirios discredits and punishes every single monastic who disagrees with him? It is not for me to say; just consider yourself forewarned.
Anyway, I have said too much. I hope you are right, that there will never be an uncanonical” marriage,” but the way things are going full speed ahead, only God can prevent that now, in my humble opinion.
Raya, why would this elder be in communion with the Patriarchate if he believes the Patriarchate is in heresy. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.
Riya, additionally, I can’t imagine a priest or an elder telling you something in confession and then having you swear to not tell anyone. This sounds like gossip to me. Confession is about laying ones sins before God and receiving His forgiveness. This all sounds fishy to me.