Patriarch Athenagoras (Spyrou) has never hidden his loyalty to the United States. Photo: UOJ By Kirill Aleksandrov – spzh.news

The media published documents on how the Patriarchate of Constantinople worked with the United States.

On February 7, 2020, the Greek religious site “Romfea”, sympathetic to the Phanar, published an article about the close ties of the CIA with one of the most significant and at the same time most criticized patriarchs of Constantinople of the 20th century, Athenagoras (Spyrou). What do the documents of the secret US Department say and what does the work of Patriarch Athenagoras look like in their light?

The CIA documents referred to by the author of the article appeared in the public domain much earlier, in 2016.

СA screenshot of cia.gov – the CIA’s official site

A logical question arises: why did the Greeks pay attention to these documents only now, and why was the relevant article on the pro-Phanar site “Romfea”?

Without going into abstract conspiracy theories, it can be stated that there are different views in the Greek religious community on the Phanar’s actions today. Not all Hellenes share the assertion that the Patriarch of Constantinople has the highest primacy in the Orthodox world and that he embodies the “etat of Orthodoxy”. Many Greeks understand the dangers of the Orthodox papacy and do not want Constantinople to follow the footsteps of Rome in this respect.

But at the same time, there is a very strong party in the Hellenic environment that places Greek nationalism above religious beliefs, above Orthodoxy itself. Naturally, this party seeks by all available means to assert the primacy of the Patriarch of Constantinople as a symbol of the greatness of the Hellenic race.

The struggle of these parties is reflected in the article on “Romfea” that discredits one of the most prominent patriarchs of Constantinople of the recent past.

Now let’s move on to the content of the article itself.

The authors, based on CIA documents, cite an extract from the correspondence of two intelligence agents – Ulius Amoss and David Burns. It follows that in 1942 Athenagoras (Spyrou), being the Archbishop of the American Archdiocese of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, offered services of the Church to the CIA. “He told me that all the services of his organization were at our disposal,” the agent wrote. Archbishop Athenagoras specifies that his “subordinates” were prepared to execute absolutely any instructions of the American authorities, the CIA in particular: “I have three bishops, three hundred priests and a large and widely spread organization. Those who are under my orders are obedient to you! You can arrange them for whatever service you need. There will be no questions and your instructions will be faithfully executed. Please tell Mr. Burns that this is true of me.”

The correspondence further reveals some of the details of services provided to the CIA by “Athenagoras’s organization”. The Archbishop of the Greek Archdiocese of North and South America actually disclosed personal information on 100,000 parishioners to the CIA. The case was during World War II, and the US authorities needed recruits to send to the battlefields in Europe. The fight against Nazism is definitely the just cause, but on the part of the head of the Archdiocese, it looked like a betrayal. After all, these young people could have gone to the front voluntarily. Instead, they were most likely to be just caught on a tip-off by Archbishop Athenagoras.

“I have three bishops, three hundred priests and a large and widely spread organization. Those who are under my orders are obedient to you! You can arrange them for whatever service you need.”

Archbishop Athenagoras (Spyrou) – to the CIA agent

For this, Archbishop Athenagoras received a thanksgiving note from the then CIA chief William J. Donovan. In response, he wrote, “I am ready to submit myself to any task and to make every possible sacrifice for our beloved country, which is striving for Global Freedom and Justice and the New Day to come.” It is impossible to imagine that such words were written by a religious man, and even more so by an Orthodox Archbishop. How can one understand the readiness to submit to “any task”? And what sacrifices did Archbishop Athenagoras intend to make for his beloved United States?

It is quite possible that the published correspondence is just the tip of the iceberg, and that the cooperation between Athenagoras and the U.S. intelligence agencies was more multilateral. But from what has become known, it becomes clear: Athenagoras expressed his willingness to fully execute any CIA order, without asking unnecessary questions.

And now let us look through the prism of this fact at the activities of Athenagoras as Patriarch of Constantinople. In 1948, the U.S. special services and diplomatic office carried out the operation “Athenagoras”, which resulted in the removal of Patriarch Maximus V (Vapordzis) from the Patriarchate of Constantinople and putting Athenagoras (Spyrou) in his place. By the way, Athenagoras’s diploma paper in his final year at the Theological School of Halki was entitled “On the election of Patriarch of Constantinople from Great Constantine to the fall of Constantinople”. So, Athenagoras knew in detail how to dethrone and how to enthrone patriarchs of Constantinople.

The activity of Athenagoras as Patriarch of Constantinople was characterized by three key points:

  1. Counteraction to the Russian Orthodox Church;
  2. Establishment of the exclusive power of Constantinople in the Orthodox world;
  3. Rapprochement with the Vatican.

As a matter of fact, Athenagoras was appointed as Patriarch to oppose the Moscow Patriarchate because his predecessor Patriarch Maximus V expressed certain sympathy for the ROC. In 1946, he resumed the custom according to which the diplomatic representative of Russia (USSR) escorted the Patriarch of Constantinople from his residence to the temple on Easter night. Also, he sent an official delegation of the Patriarchate of Constantinople to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the autocephaly of the ROC in 1948. For his ‘leftist’ opinions and ties with the Moscow Patriarchate, he was forced to write a letter of resignation, declared insane and kept under surveillance in Chambésy (Phanar’s residence in Switzerland), banned to perform divine services.

Athenagoras, on the other hand, never concealed his anti-Russian sentiments. Before becoming Patriarch in 1947, he said, “America is helping Turkey and Greece because it knows that these two states must fight against a wild beast that threatens mankind.” Enthroned, he fully met the expectations of his patrons in Washington.

Under Patriarch Athenagoras, the idea of the Phanar’s domination over the entire Orthodox diaspora was given a new impetus. In the Phanar’s ideological interpretation, it was called “overcoming the narrow national character of Greek Orthodoxy. And in practice, it resulted in the interference in the affairs of other Local Churches.

In 1952, Patriarch Athenagoras announced the convocation of the “Pan-Orthodox Great and Holy Council” and began active preparation for it. This initiative and the Phanar’s active coordination activities in the preparation of the Council contributed to the spread of the false belief that only the Patriarchs of Constantinople can convene Pan-Orthodox Councils.

Under Patriarch Athenagoras, the idea of the Phanar’s domination over the entire Orthodox diaspora was given a new impetus.

As for the rapprochement with the Vatican, Patriarch Athenagoras took a historic step: in 1965, he and Pope Paul VI removed the mutual anathemas that were imposed back in 1054, when the official break-up of Orthodoxy and Catholicism took place. In his letter on this occasion, Athenagoras wrote: “In 1054, by the mysterious will of God, a storm came down on the Church: relations between the Churches of Rome and Constantinople were tested, and the love that held them together was so badly wounded that anathema appeared in the bosoms of the Churches of God. <…> But since today God’s goodwill towards us has shown itself, showing the way of reconciliation, especially in the mutual zeal, blessed and fruitful, both from Old and from our New Rome, in the development of brotherly relations, it was decided to begin to correct the opinion about the past events and to overcome, as far as possible for each of the Churches, the built-up obstacles that can be removed.”

The message does not contain a word about the heretical delusions of the Latins, nor a word about the fact that the Orthodox Church realizes itself as “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church”.

And on the eve of the anathema “removal”, Patriarch Athenagoras met with Pope Paul VI in Jerusalem for the first time in 500 years.

A meeting of Patriarch Athenagoras with Pope Paul VI, Jerusalem, 1964. Photo: from open source

It is noteworthy that in Greek iconography there is even an iconographic image of this meeting:

Patriarch Athenagoras’s attitude to heresies is also known. The French historian and theologian Olivier Clément in his book “Conversations with Patriarch Athenagoras” quotes his words about heresies: “And I do not see them (heresies – Ed.) anywhere! I see only truths, partial, curtailed, sometimes out of place and claiming to grasp and encapsulate the inexhaustible mystery”.

Now let’s remember how Athenagoras assured the head of the CIA, William J. Donovan, that he was “ready to submit himself to any task and make every possible sacrifice” and let’s ask ourselves a question: was all this activity of Patriarch Athenagoras to counter the ROC, to establish the primacy of the Phanar and get closer to the Vatican his own initiative or “the execution” of the CIA task? Who is the end beneficiary of all these activities?

And if we look at the actions of today’s head of the Phanar, Patriarch Bartholomew (Arhondonis), we can easily notice that they also boil down to these three areas: counteraction to the ROC, the establishment of the primacy of Constantinople and rapprochement with the Catholics. And just like under Patriarch Athenagoras, American authorities and special services play an active role in this activity.

For example, during a recent visit to Ukraine, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo not only expressed open and exclusive support for the Orthodox Church of Ukraine but also agreed to fund it through the “Metropolitan Fund” established by the head of the OCU Epiphany Dumenko. It was Pompeo who was the Director of the CIA when the Phanar made a policy decision to launch the OCU project.

And the fact that the Patriarchate of Constantinople went against church canons to create the OCU may say that in due time they may publish the correspondence of Patriarch Bartholomew (Arhondonis), in which he also assures his American patrons of his readiness “to submit to any task and make every possible sacrifice”.

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SOURCE – ROMFEA.GR

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Του Matthew Namee | Orthodoxhistory.org


Ηταν για πολύ καιρό ένα κοινό μυστικό πως η εκλογή του Πατριάρχη Αθηναγόρα ως Οικουμενικός Πατριάρχης είχε διευθετηθεί, ή τουλάχιστον διευκολυνθεί, από την κυβέρνηση των Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών.

Όμως είναι δύσκολο να γράψει κανείς ως ιστορικός, καθώς ακόμα κι’ οι πιό τράνταχτες αποδείξεις τείνουν να διατηρούνται σε απόκρυψη.

Εν τούτοις, περιστασιακά ξεφεύγουν κάποιες πληροφορίες!

Πρόσφατα έψαχνα σε σελίδες παλαιών εγγράφων στη βάση δεδομένων της CIA που απελευθερώθηκαν βάσει της Πράξης Ελευθερίας της Πληροφόρησης (Freedom of Information Act).truman athenagorasΟ Αρχιεπίσκοπος Αθηναγόρας με τον Πρόεδρο Τρούμαν, 1947

Ένας φάκελος περιέχει ένα μεγάλο αριθμό εγγράφων από τον προκάτοχο της CIA, την OSS, και όλα επικεντρώνονταν στην Ελλάδα της περιόδου του Β’ Παγκοσμίου Πολέμου.

Θαμένα μέσα στις περίπου 300 σελίδες αυτού του φακέλου είναι και διάφορα ζητήματα που αναφέρονται στον Αθηναγόρα, ο οποίος την περίοδο εκείνη ήταν Αρχιεπίσκοπος στην Ελληνικὴ Αρχιεπισκοπή της Βορείου και Νοτίου Αμερικής.

Σε ενα διαϋπηρεσιακό σημείωμα με ημερομηνία 26 Μαρτίου, 1942, ένας πράκτορας που ονομάζεται Ulius L. Amoss έγραφε σε συνάδελφό του στην OSS, με το ονομα David Burns:

“Ο Αρχιεπίσκοπος ηταν ιδιαίτερα ευχαριστημένος που σε συνάντησε και γευμάτισε μαζί σου. Μου είπε πως όλες οι υπηρεσίες του οργανισμού του βρίσκονται στη διάθεσή σου.

Όπως το έθεσε με τα δικα του λογια: “Έχω τρεις Επισκόπους, 300 ιερείς και μία μεγάλη και ευρέως εξαπλωμένη οργάνωση. Όσοι είναι υπό τις διαταγές μου, είναι υποτακτικοί σου! Μπορείς να τους διατάξεις γιά όποια υπηρεσία τους χρειάζεσαι. Αθηναγόρας στον πρόγονο της CIA: “Δεν θα υπάρξουν ερωτήσεις και οι οδηγίες σας θα εκτελεστούν πιστά. Σας παρακαλώ όπως πείτε στον κ. Burns ότι εκ μέρους μου ισχύει αυτό.”

Ένα μήνα αργότερα, στις 25 Απριλίου, ο 56χρονος Έλληνας Αρχιεπίσκοπος προσπάθησε να καταταχτεί στο στρατό των Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών, όμως του αρνήθηκαν.

Λίγες εβδομάδες μετά από αυτό, στις 14 Μαΐου, ὁ Ulias L. Amoss, ο ίδιος πράκτορας πληροφοριών που έγραψε το σημείωμα της 26ης Μαρτίου, έγραψε επιστολή στον Αθηναγόρα, για να τον ευχαριστήσει για την διαρκή συνεργασία με την Ελληνική Αρχιεπισκοπή, λέγοντας μεταξύ άλλων: “Η φροντίδα με την οποίαν οι Επίσκοποι και οι Ιερείς συνεργάστηκαν, μας έχει εντυπωσιάσει όλους και η πληροφορία ότι, ίσως μέχρι και 100.000 ονόματα θα επιστραφούν σε μας είναι απίστευτη.”

William J. DonovanΟ William J. DonovanΤην ίδια μέρα, ο ίδιος ο William J. Donovan – επικεφαλής του OSS – έγραφε επίσης στον Αθηναγόρα: “Οι αναφορές και περιγραφές των Ελληνο-Αμερικανών νέων με ηλικία στράτευσης που τόσο ευγενικά έχετε αναλάβει, έρχονται σε μας ως εξαιρετικά μεγέθη. Η φροντίδα με την οποία η Εξοχότητά σας πέτυχε αυτή τη σημαντική υπηρεσία, είναι μεγάλης σημασίας για τις ένοπλες δυνάμεις μας, και επιθυμώ να σας εκφράσω την βαθειά εκτίμησή μου για την πιστή και πατριωτική σας βοήθεια.”

Επειδή ο Donovan είχε φύγει από την πόλη, ο Αθηναγόρας περίμενε μέχρι τις 16 Ιουλίου για να απαντήσει.

Παραθέτουμε το πλήρες κείμενο της επιστολής του Αρχιεπισκόπου:

Αγαπητέ μου κ. Donovan,

Έλαβα την εγκάρδια επιστολή σας της 15ης Μαΐου, όταν όμως έμαθα ότι στο μεταξύ είχατε αναχωρήσει, περίμενα μέχρι την επιστροφή σας για να σας γράψω.

Σας καλοσωρίζω πίσω και σας ευχαριστώ από τα βάθη της καρδιάς μου για την επιστολή σας και το περιεχόμενό της. Με υποχρεώσατε πάρα πολύ, επειδή νομίζω πως δεν κάνω τόσα πολλά για τις Η.Π. στις οποίες είμαι τόσο καταχρεωμένος.

Παρόλα αυτά είμαι έτοιμος να υποβάλω τον εαυτό μου σε οποιοδήποτε καθήκον και να κάνω την κάθε πιθανή θυσία για την πολυαγαπημένη χώρα μας, η οποία αγωνίζεται για την Παγκόσμια ελευθερία και δικαιοσύνη και για τη Νέα Ημέρα που έρχεται.

Είμουν στην Ουάσιγκτον πριν λίγες ημέρες, και θα ερχόμουν να σας δω άν δεν με καλούσαν πίσω στη Νέα Υόρκη.

Να είστε όμως σίγουρος, ότι με την πρώτη ευκαιρία θα έλθω στην Ουάσιγκτον για να σας συναντήσω προσωπικά, και να εκδηλώσω τον γνήσιο θαυμασμό μου προς εσάς.

Με εκτίμηση πάντα δικός σας,
Αρχιεπίσκοπος Αθηναγόρας

Είναι εκπληκτικό που αυτά τα έγγραφα έχουν δημοσιευτεί στο κοινό, καθώς αντιπροσωπεύουν την αρχή μιας πολύ γνωστής αλλά όχι πολυ-δημοσιευμένης σχέσης μεταξύ του Αρχιεπισκόπου Αθηναγόρα και αξιωματούχων της υπηρεσίας πληροφοριών των Η.Π.Α.

Το 1942, ο Αθηναγόρας ανάδειξε τον εαυτό του ως αξιόπιστος σύμμαχος της κυβέρνησης των Η.Π.Α., και παρόλο που αυτός ο πολεμικός πατριωτισμός του δεν είναι αναγκαία ασυνήθιστος, το γλωσσικό του είναι απαράδεκτα έντονο: “Δεν θα υπάρξουν ερωτήσεις και οι οδηγίες σας θα εκτελεστούν πιστά.”

Στα χρόνια που ακολούθησαν, ο Αρχιεπίσκοπος Αθηναγόρας παρέμεινε μία πολύτιμη πηγή για την υπηρεσία πληροφοριών των Η.Π.Α.

Μιά αναφορά που ετοιμάστηκε από το OSS μετά την 31η Δεκεμβρίου 1944, καταγράφει τον Αθηναγόρα ανάμεσα στους συνδέσμους-κλειδιά.

Η αναφορά του OSS σημειώνει, “Το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών και άλλες εκτελεστικές υπηρεσίες δύσκολα μπορούν να καλλιεργήσουν συνδέσμους με τέτοιου είδους ελευθερία και χωρίς να θέσουν το υπηρεσιακό κύρος των εν λόγω ατόμων υπό αμφισβήτηση, και να προκαλέσουν κριτική απο πολιτικά εχθρικά στρώματα. Παρόλα αυτά, έγινε πιθανή για το Τμήμα τῶν Ξένων Εθνοτήτων (του OSS), να μιλήσει ενδόμυχα και όσο συχνά χρειάζεται με τέτοιους άνδρες.”

Ο κατάλογος “τέτοιων ανδρών” περιλαμβάνει, όχι μόνον τον Αθηναγόρα, αλλά και τον Επίσκοπο Αλβανίας Fan Noli και τον Σέρβο Επίσκοπο Dionisjie Milivojevich.

Η σχέση μεταξύ του Αθηναγόρα και της κυβέρνησης των Η.Π.Α. αποδείχτηκε επωφελής και για τα δύο μερη.

Όταν ο Αθηναγόρας εξελέγη ως Οικουμενικός Πατριάρχης στα τέλη του 1948, ταξίδεψε στην Κωνσταντινούπολη με το Προεδρικό Αεροσκάφος του Προέδρου Truman (που ονομάστηκε, όλως περιέργως, “Ιερή Αγελάδα”).

Από τη νέα θέση του στο Φανάρι, ο Αθηναγόρας υπηρέτησε ως υποστηρικτής των Αμερικανών, σε αντιστάθμισμα πρός το Πατριαρχείο Μόσχας, που ήταν υποστηρικτής των Σοβιετικών.

Αλλά αυτή είναι μιά άλλη ιστορία, για μιά άλλη μέρα….

8 COMMENTS

  1. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

    47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

  2. I have too much respect for you to point out the stupid mistake you made in re-posting this article. It is tantamount to Putin’s propaganda of lies and misinformation. Shame on you! You are too smart for this crap!

    I have studied the CIA file, long before you republished it out of context. Let’s put things in perspective.

    In 1940 to1945, Greece was under Axis occupation. Ulius L. Amoss an American philhellene who had headed the YMCA in Greece in the 1920s — and who in 1940 was an active member of AHEPA in New York — helped raise a militia of Greek American volunteers to infiltrate their occupied country and fight off the invaders. Athenagoras knew Amoss from his YMCA days in Corfu, where Athenagoras himself was the metropolitan in the 1920s. Responding to his patriotic call of duty was a no-brainer. Of course Athenagoras helped with the OSS (whose operations Amoss led in the Near East). Why are you taking their communications out of context? Greece had a better fate than Russia, and you should thank men like Athenagoras for that!

    America saved Greece from the Soviet gulags. Stalin’s love of Orthodoxy did not fool us any more than Putin’s manipulation of naive journalists will fool us now.

    • You are right to have too much respect for me – and I do know a lot of history to correct your mediocrity, full of half-truths, simplifications, and misunderstandings… Here are a couple of points:
      1) Greece was saved by a glorious resistance – the greatest resistance in all occupied Europe. But the historical truth is a lot more cynical: In the famous Yalta Conference of 1945 where Stalin, Churchill, and FDR divided Europe in “spheres of influence” Greece went “90% to the Western Alliance (Britain and US) and 10% to Russia. Rumor has it that this 90-10 proportion was written on a napkin passed from Stalin to Churchill and agreed upon with a nod of the head. In the same Yalta conference, Yugoslavia went 50-50%.
      2) I have mentioned several times that OSS’s first operation worldwide was in the Battle of Crete… Before OSS had any worldwide action it was the British MI6 that had already connected with the Cretans and the Greek Resistance.
      We need the historical perspective because the CIA continues to this day their unscrupulous involvement in the Patriarchate’s and Greek affairs and they go contrary to fundamental Greek interests. In 2008 there was an assassination attempt by the CIA against prime minister Costas Karamanlis. Does this tell you anything? Now, they handle the Patriarch and his minions to give preference to the Tatar Turks of Ukraine ignoring the 150,000 Greeks living there… I encourage you to read my recent posts carefully – you may learn a thing or two.
      Frankly, you will need to study a lot more of Greek history if you will attempt to “shame me” in public. Otherwise, you risk being ridiculed – this is why you are hiding behind a pseudo-name…

  3. I am sorry I touched a raw nerve in you by “shaming you” in public. That’s the risk you take for posting opinion pieces.

    Your references to an alleged assassination attempt by the CIA against Costas Caramanlis shows the quality of your discourse and the lack of serious analysis you put in your blog. If the CIA wanted to assassinate him, do you think they would fail?

    Your references to the Yalta agreement and Churchill’s description in his memoirs of the division of Europe into spheres of influence is also taken out of context. Regardless, what did Uncle Joe think 50-50 meant for Hungary and Czechoslovakia? Remember his salami tactics? Remember the tanks in 1968? Remember the hoards of people fleeing and voting with their feet?

    What I don’t understand is how an educated conservative longs to resurrect what Reagan threw into the ash heap of history!

    Ironically, I agree with you that our church leaders and our Omogeneia (or “diaspora” as they prefer to call themselves) are led by extremely corrupt people. — That’s where my respect for you comes in. — Of course we need to change that — call it what it is and fight it. But, beware! Turning to the wolves because we are fighting the black sheep is not the solution. Similarly, fighting the “progressives” in government will never justify supporting an unethical criminal like Trump and his undemocratic values. No thinking conservative can possibly fall for that. Reagan is surely turning in his grave, while Putin is salivating over the spoils.

    Your space is limited and very valuable, so I will stop here.

    • I had and have no respect for Stalin and the Soviet rulers and the moment I became conscious of their atrocities at a very early age – I detached myself from earlier leftist leanings. Stalin was a monstrous dictator – yet we in the West, Americans and British had no problem at all – despite knowing who he was – making him an ally, sending him tanks and all other help. Why? Because we wanted to defeat Germany and Japan. But now we are stupidly annoyed by Putin. No reason at all. First, we accuse him of being a “dictator” – as if Russia (and China for that matter) ever had “democracy”… For this particular subject, I suggest that you take a look at a classic: “Oriental Despotism” by Karl August Wittfogel. We lost all five latest wars because of the same concept, the totally idiotic idea that we will go into the Middle East or Asia and we will establish “democracy”. Do we have democracy in America? I am not so sure lately… In other words, I do not want to resurrect anything – I just want to apply realism in our foreign policy.
      But since you are talking about conservatism, please read Putin’s latest speeches on the protection of the family, homosexual marriage, and other social issues. He is much more conservative than many of our conservative leaders in today’s America. Especially because his positions are usually filtered through the Orthodox faith. And hence his appeal. As I have said his popularity in Greece is over 70% – higher than any other leader – foreign or domestic.
      As for the assassination attempt against Karamanlis in 2008, there is too much evidence to convince even the more doubtful. And a criminal court case was going on for years in Athens. Naturally, it was “hushed” – to prevent any further damage in the Greece-US relations. I do not think we should have any trust in the CIA’s abilities in the last couple of decades. Where to start? From “Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction”? Or from the open undermining of President Trump… The one President who had the only reasonable and common sense approach to Russia: To take Russia on our side (and have no doubt Russia is a natural ally of America in so many ways), in order to defeat China – our real enemy, even though American financial interests created it… As it goes now, we are pushing Russia in China’s arms – and we are guaranteed to lose the “big game”, one way or the other… We are heading straight for the cliff..

  4. Namee is a known anti-Hellenic russophile, I will take his words and opinions with a grain of salt.

    As to any co-operation with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and its apparent efforts towards Ecumenism and reproach with the heretic Catholics, its gravitation towards the US etc, I’m not sure what you want them to do?

    The Ecumenical Patriarchate is squeezed hard by Turkey, Russia, the EU and the West, by all sides, so has to for its own survival (I don’t necessarily agree with it), run and gain support from the US Govt. for its own survival, again.

    What’s’ the Moscow church’s excuse for their constant meetings with the Vatican, its constant interactions with heretics and foreign governments? we are told that they are a “pure” free church and “truly Orthodox” and ruled by and supported by a friendly Orthodox Christian Government?

    I don’t like this constant sh****ng on the Greek Orthodox Churches by our own people, we get enough of it from others.

    • Namee is a good historian – many do not like his revealing the truth… understandably… The Russian Church is also ecumenist, no question about it… I have noted it in the past…If the price for the Istanbul Patriarchate’s survival is the Schism of Orthodoxy, then it should definitely not survive. Even more so if they undermine Hellenism as they daily do. The “unholy” synod consists of a bunch of corrupt, demented older men who are not able to think straight…

  5. In our days some human idiots , are trying to
    push their own theory that God has been made by them and not the opposite and because of that
    they believe that, they know everything , they are
    kseroles…… ( slang Greek) .
    Their ego reminds me the rooster who is waiting
    the sun to rise in order to let his voice to be listen
    by the people because , believes that the sun is
    rising to clap for his special voice.

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