EDITOR’S NOTE.  Thousands of faithful gathered in central Athens to protest against the legislation for same-sex marriage and adoption.  Meanwhile, the parties of the Left are split, and great factions are against this legislation, while the communist party KKE, with his 20 votes, is totally against it.   The vote will take place on February 15. One thing is for sure: The New Democracy party will cease to exist as such after the vote, and the three smaller right-wing parties – which now have about 15% of the vote – will get a boost.  A new classic right-wing party or a coalition will likely be formed. Mitsotakis’s party is classified as center-left from now on.

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21 COMMENTS

  1. The opposition to same sex marriage in Greece is what was happening here about 15 years ago. There was just as much opposition then in America. Now that marriage equality is the law of the land, 71% of Americans are supportive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of

    The Church of course will not be forced to bless same sex unions. So, I dont see what the problem is. Besides, the EU considers it as human rights and mandates it. In Greece, holding a demonstration is like lighting a cigarette. Greeks still smoke. Or going to bouzoukia. It happens automatically. Athens averages 3 demonstrations a day! They demonstrated back in 2000 for religious identity on I.D. cards. Of course the religious identity is not included. The world didn’t stop spinning. It won’t stop spinning when same sex union laws are passed.

    • All this may be (partly) true but it is highly likely that if the bill passes New Democracy party will cease to exist as right-center party and the three smaller right wing parties will boost their power from 15% to over 30%. After that everything is possible.

      • Velopoulos has historically exhibited the traits of a classic chameleon, and in this case, he’s playing the role of “controlled opposition”…he is not to be trusted…likely secretly supporting the same overlords that Mitsotakis serves…if you noticed how he sparred with Natsios in Parliament the other day, it was a clear “excuse” to not join Natsios in the obvious…”confidence vote”…
        Ask yourself…why don’t they proceed with a confidence vote?

        Different cheese is being set for the Greek people…within the same political mousetrap…

      • I agree with Helleniscope and Markos , but the real issue is what does the populist want who fund the government, and not what Me. Lambros U.S and EU Nato Globalist want who fund Mistotakis and the Greek Government who fund the Greek Orthodox Churches of Greece ! As far as polls are concerned Gallup Polls reveal the 78% of the populist of America consider the United State Government Corrupt thru and thru , and that the vast majority of the countries of the world consider the United States the most dangerous threat to the Peace and Security of the World ! But the Public still fund their criminal enterprise ! Yes Lambros….EU has mandated human rights protection of LGBQT including same sex marriages on Russia , Hungary , Greece and all of Europe and the world! Today the leaders of Hungary have already condemned the EU and U.S ambassador to Hungary a LGBQT diplomate for blackmail , extortion , coercion and criminal obstruction of Interstate and International commerce to mandate their decoupling of trade and Russia , and for not protecting the Human rights of LGBQt and Sam Sex Marriage and criminally will withhold funds to Hungary and Greece if the do not comply with their mandates …this is called Extortion” Now you know what the problem is for Mr. Lambros and the EU! Mr. Lambros ..no one cares about LBGQT rights or Sam Sex Marriage…however when the Mass Majority of the people of Orthodox Christians or any Muslim Citizens of Greece , just don’t want their government to support what the have been taught to understand about Gay lifestyle …YOU DO WHAT WE THE PEOPLE WANT …NOT MR. LAMBROSES WE THE LEADRS OF A GLOBAL WORLD ORDER WANT!

      • Nick. I’m replying to your email below. I will ask you to read my post once again. Nowhere do I say anything about accepting gay indoctrination at schools. Parents should have control over their kids’ education. I am replying to Markos on his post that God is going to punish us by natural disasters. No one knows God’s plans. And I firmly believe that God does not punish indiscriminately, as Markos asserts. If you want to block me, its your sandbox as I said many times. You have every right to. But, please, stop threatening me. . By now, you know my thoughts. If you want comments that follow a certain ideology, such as the comments from most of your readers, that’s your prerogative. If you want comments that are diverse, but based on knowledge, then, you should keep me. I ask for the courtesy of notifying me when you decide to block me permanently.

        • When you accept all sin – and we know how elastic the definition can be – as acceptable in the midst of a society whose primary purpose since the beginning of time has been to procreate and raise children what are you telling us? To accept them in our midst, allow them to “marry”, “change gender” and NOT to “judge” them… P-lease1..

          • Nick. again. I am not saying that you or anyone, personally, have the obligation to accept anyone’s life choices. But, in a free society, you can’t stop it either. CAUTION: As long it involves adults ONLY. What’s the alternative, if you or the laws of a nation dont accept secular same sex unions? Markos says that God is going to kill us by earthquakes. Do you agree with that premise?

            You have the freedom to judge their life choices and repudiate it. You certainly are not forced to accept anything, as long as violence against those others is not part of not acceptance. You certainly dont need to invite them at your home, or socialize with them. Russia doesn’t recognize gay existence. Does that stop gays from being gays? Anyone of us that lives in the West has not moved to Russia because same sex marriage was legalized. Let’s live and let live. That’s what democracy is all about

          • As you know Russia and other non-western societies do not bother gays and allow all citizens their privacy. This does not mean that they will also allow them to dominate the public sphere and be treated as “normal” when it comes to education and other reproductive mechanisms of any rational society. Normal they are not and should be treated as such. They can enjoy their preference within the confines of their private life but they are not going to have any access to education or the institution of “marriage” and even more so adoption. Democracy is not allowing the 1-2% minority impose their abnormal views on the 98-99%. I am hoping you accept this clear statement because we are coming to an end of this discussion. Enough said.

    • Big difference between US and Greece. Thousands of denominations, no unity. They do not have any accountability. Orthodoxy is a communion of many different nations. They do not have monasteries. They do not have Holy Tradition.

    • Mr. Karpodonis,

      You write that the world did not stop spinning with gay marriage. Have you seen what is happening in America? Transgenderism is the natural evolution of gay marriage. Men using ladies restrooms. Men playing on women’s sports teams. Boys in girls sports.
      Talk about sixty three sexes? Women having surgery to become men and considering themselves “pregnant men”?

      Leftist efforts to replace the word mother with “birthing persons” because lunatics consider it offensive to infer that only women can get pregnant. Have you heard of drag queen story hour?

      Are you aware of the horror of drag children where boys are dressed by adults in drag to perform as drag queens? Or the abomination of “trans” children who are targeted by teachers and other adults and given names of the opposite sex and keeping this hidden from parents?

      All this will happen in Greece. LGBT is evil and is aiming to overthrow Christianity. Cancer must be stopped before it spreads. Gay marriage in Greece must not become legal.

  2. So…who really cares if ND or Syriza, or any other party gets dismantled?
    Mitsotakis is still filthy rich yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

    He achieved “the agenda” of his international overlords…with 20% of the votes (because ~50% of the Greek voters decided to sit on the beach and sip their “frappe” instead of voting against this globalist marionette last summer, converting the 20% into 40%…note: the “small parties” were available then, too…complacency, right?)

    Too little, too late.
    Ieronymos and the Synod didn’t collect 2 million signatures ahead of time, knowing that this was coming… that’s the fatal blow here….(not by accident, and quite possibly in collusion with the government). Ieronymos was planted in that seat precisely because they didn’t want another “annoying” Christodoulos…

    At this point, if God doesn’t intervene (volcano, earthquake, etc), this abomination will become secular law…chronic tolerance of corruption by the majority of Greek voters (for decades) will be to blame.

    • Hey Markos.
      God won’t intervene. Why would God cause a volcano eruption or earthquake, which would surely kill more innocents than guilty? What God is that?

      • Λαμπρο,
        Before you ask “what God is that, why don’t you check your math again and ask “what kind of people are these”?

        When ~50% of the population doesn’t even show up to vote against an atheist (already formally excommunicated by Amvrosios of Kalavryta), that is already a crime of “spiritual apathy, complacency, and ραθυμια” (remember this word ραθυμια well, as you listen attentively to the upcoming troparia of Lent)…And so far this hasn’t even taken into account the tally of votes that went to Syriza and other “atheist/secular” parties…your math calculations are way off when counting who is “guilty” of spiritual apathy and who is “innocent”….I recommend you read up on several thousand years of Biblical and post-Biblical history on these matters, and understand what historically happens to “God’s flock” in times of generalized apostasy, ραθυμια, and spiritual decline…

        • Markos
          My math is good. I asked what God is that, as you assert, that would cause earthquakes or volcanoes, to punish His people blindingly, including the innocents and the children for the sins of a few? Its certainly not Christ who came “not to condemn the world, but to save us?” “John 3:17. People have free will. If they decide to sin, they will have to explain themselves when they meet their creator. If that sin involves two adults, the state has no business sticking its nose into it. Adults have the prerogative to sin at will. And no one has the right to condemn them. After all, when the Jews asked Christ about stoning the adulteress, He answered by saying, “the one without sin should cast the first stone”. John 8:7. Are you without sin? What makes you believe that God dislikes same sex unions more than the sins that you commit?

          We are Christians, not Jews. The old testament, that presents a wrathful God, that drowned the world, was “updated” when Christ when sent to earth, by His father. That’s the one we follow.

          • In other words, according tom your warped logic, we should accept all sinners among us and allow them to corrupt our kids like the LGBTQ do know in our schools: thieves, murderers etc. Lambros I am tempted to say this will be your last comment on Helleniscope… There are many other venues to listen to your “cacodoxies”…

          • Hey Lambros …I have been your greatest supporter of you , the “Poster Child” of the corrupted Greek Media outlets like THH, HALC and Endy Zemenides who promote exactly everything you say! However , the secret of your success and TNH is that when they are caught deceiving the Greek Populist …they just bury it! However, bad News …not only is Joe Biden, and Blinken exposed for being a “Zionist Agents of Israel and Ukraine undermining the democracies of the world and America , but they are caught undermining the Orthodox churches of the world with EPI and Bart .
            BRAKING NEWS! …FEBRUARY 9TH ..ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN NEWS

            “IT WAS U.S. POLICY TO DESTROY THE UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH…SAYS CHURCH LAWYER

            “WE LEARNED LAST WEEK FROM ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE, ROBERT DESTRO- HE WAS THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY UNDR DONALD TRUMP ..THAT IT WAS THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND U.S POLICY TO DESTROY THE UKRAIAN ORHTODOX CHURCH AND THE EASTERN ORTHODOX , I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING THE BEHAVIOER” ASKED ABOUT THE ATTITUDE TOWARDS BARTHOLOMEW IN AMERICA… .”WELL , NOBODY KNOWS HIM, OTHER THAN PEOPLE IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT . HE UNFORTUNATELY, HAS ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE AN iNSTRUMENT OF A U.S POLICY”
            ROBERT aMSTERDAMOF THE D.C AMSTERDAM & PARTNERS L.L.P ATTORNEY FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH

            lAMBROS ..WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ….WITH OUT FIRING A SHOT ..HE MADE JEWISH ZIONIST ZELENSKY CRAZED ENOUGH TO DO THE ONLY THING THAT THE TWIESTED MINDS OF 2.4 BILLION CHIRTIANS COULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE EVIL OF THE U.S EMPIRE BY SACRAFICING THE CLERGY AND MONKS OF THE UKRAINE AND HIS CHURCH , AND WHAT THEY KNOW IS ONLY “EVIOL FORCES ATTACK THE HOUSES OF GOD ..AND LEAST OF ALL ..”ORIGINAL CHURCH OF CHRIST” lAMBROS, YOU , BIDEN, BLINKIEN, STATE DEPARTMENT , EU , FOX NEWS, TNH , AHEPA, HALC BART AND EPI , ZELENSKY AND THE “ZIONIST” JEWISH AND EVANGELICAL LAWMAKERS … ” WERE SET UP BY GO” AND WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT ..HE HAS DESTROYED THE EMPIRE OF LIES ! HE DID HIS JOB…AND NOW HE EXPECTS US TO DO OUR JOB ! GO TO ALL YOUR CHURCH BOARDS AND DEMAND THEY APPROVE A RESOLUTION DEMANDIGN CONDEMNATION OF TEH U.S STATE DEPARTMENT, MISTOTAKIS , YOU LOCAL CONGRESSMAN AND DEMAND THE RELEASE OF ALL THE CLERGY AND MONKS OF THE UKRAINE , RESTORATION OF ALL PROPERTIES TO THE ORTHODOX OF UKAINEE … AND PROSECUTOJN OF EVERY MEMBER OF THE STATE DEPARMENT FOR TREASON AND CRIMES AGAISNST HUMANITY, AND WHEN A GRAND JURY IS CONVENED ..THEY WILL INDICT THE LEADERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTY…AND DISMANTLE THE ENTIRE RULING PARTIES OF AMERICA AND EU!
            AND TO THE FAITHFUL ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS OF hELLENISCOPE…DO YOU NOT THINK HELLENISCOPE AND US …HAVE NOT BEEN INTRUMENTS OF GOD …

            “IN JUDGEMENT I HAVE COME TO THIS WORLD , SO THE BLIND CAN SEE.. AND THOSE WHO CAN SEE WILL GO BLIND……jESUS

            AND IF YOU HAVEN’T NOTICE A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW SEE, AND THE U.S EMPIRE OF LIES IS GOING BLND !

  3. Το ΣΥΜΦΩΝΟ ΣΥΜΒΙΩΣΗΣ απο το 2015 καθιστα αχρειαστο και περιττο τον νεο νομο για τον αλλοκοτο και ανωμαλο Γαμο των ομοφυλοφιλων που με τοση εμμονη θελει να νομοθετησει ο Μητσοτακης. Διαβαστο το Συμφωνο Συμβιωσης στο google.

    • On behalf of Helleniscop..the following is translation of your Greek post to English and import message and comment for the readers …I love all the Greek posts and hope you continue , and I will translate at every opportunity!

      “The civil partnership since 2015 renders unnecessary and unnecessary the new law on the bizarre and irregular gay marriage that Mitsotakis so obsessively wants to legislate. Read Civil Partnership on google” !
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