ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΕΙ

It was announced that Mr.Mitsotakis intends to visit the Phanar “in the near future for issues concerning the Patriarchate and the diaspora.”

By Nick Stamatakis

Interesting news came out of the “Fake Peace Conference” in Burgenstock, Switzerland, yesterday, where PM Mitsotakis had a meeting with Pat. Bartholomew.  You can read the press release below in English and in Greek.  It was announced that Mr.Mitsotakis intends to visit the Phanar “in the near future for issues concerning the Patriarchate and the diaspora.”  The last word, “diaspora,” is all the money in this announcement.

Why? During the Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs, Mrs. Alexandra Papadopoulou’s visit to the Phanar last November, the Greek Government expressed its disappointment about AB Elpidophoros, especially because he is a divisive force in the Greek-American community. We also remind you that Mr. Mitsotakis and the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Gerapetritis, Papadopoulou) did not show up AT ALL during the “Archons of Disaster” Conference in Athens at the end of May.  This happened despite the fact that Elpidophoros had announced Mr.Mitsotakis as the main speaker at the event – apparently to force him to participate. Bartholomew’s absence from the Archons’ Conference is also seen as an attempt By Elpidophoros to force a meeting with Mitsotakis.  All this has failed.

Yesterday, we suddenly learned that Elpidophoros appeared at a Divine Liturgy in Bonn, Germany, with Met. Avgoustinos to celebrate St.Avgoustinos Feast, the name day of the Metropolitan, who, as we all remember, represented the Patriarch in Elpidophoros’ enthronement. Will he also take the one-hr flight to visit Bartholomew in person in Switzerland? It’s an easy guess if you ask me: the Patriarchate has a permanent base in Switzerland, in Sambezy, and has close relations with the World Council of Churches.  Many excuses are available for a face-to-face meeting.

What forces are behind Elpidophoros’ replacement? Should we take seriously the position that suddenly, the Greek government cares about the “unity” of the Omogeneia/Diaspora? When in the past has ANY Greek government expressed any interest in the “divisiveness” in the Diaspora? NEVER, as far as anyone can recall.  Yes, the meddling of Elpidophoros with Erdogan is genuine and truly undermines Greek foreign policy. However, it was clear that Elpidophoros had been a Turkish agent since before his election in 2019.  Helleniscope issued a big red flag based on Sophia Iliadi’s article on Veterans Today in August 2018 (link here) and other sources. There were many different signs of trouble arriving along with Elpidophoros, of course.

What is the case then? Helleniscope has suggested that the FBI investigation on Mayor Eric Adams, which started in early October, continued in November with the start of an effort to replace Elpidophoros. Both cases are very active, and recently, another democrat politician in NY, Jamaal Bowman, was found to have been supported by Turkish groups (link here).  So much so that Hillary Clinton announced her support for Jamaal Bopwman’s opponent in the Democrat primaries!! I have stated since last fall that AIPAC and Israeli lobbyists are likely behind all this, and they want to clean the US from Turkey’s agents. 

Finally, I owe one word to the other community media who suddenly came out against Elpidophoros.  First, where were you for five full years? One of you (TNH) was silent because they were “on the take” from GOA’s “advertising budget” – but not anymore, according to their admission. Is this your role in the community – to criticize only when someone hurts you financially?  The other one (HellasJournal) was mainly silent – even after the Archbishop visited the Turkish House NYC in September 2021.  Yes, they did a few posts of criticism and then years of silence… And why do you criticize the Archbishop only on his ties with Islamist Erdogan? The primary division he has caused in our community has to do with his openly “woke” policies and his acceptance of homosexuality, along with his other policies contrary to the Orthodox Faith and Tradition. These have driven hundreds of thousands of Greek-Americans out of the parishes, while many went to the Russian and Antiochian Orthodox jurisdictions.  You are loudly anti-Russian, but this large movement of Greek-Americans to pro-Russian Churches does not bother you? How about the theologian Mr. Kalmoukos? Is he bothered AT ALL by these serious faith issues? Why is he silent? Maybe because his boss, Diamataris, openly expressed his support for the same-sex bill introduced by Mitsotakis?

When will our community media stop supporting interests foreign to Hellenism and Orthodoxy?

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Ο Μητσοτάκης θα επισκεφθεί το Φανάρι: Στην ημερήσια διάταξη η αντικατάσταση του Ελπιδοφόρου

Ανακοινώθηκε ότι ο κ. Μητσοτάκης προτίθεται να επισκεφθεί το Φανάρι «στο άμεσο μέλλον για θέματα που αφορούν το Πατριαρχείο και τη διασπορά».

Του Νίκου Σταματάκη

Ενδιαφέρουσες ειδήσεις προέκυψαν από το «Fake Peace Conference» στο Μπούργκενστοκ της Ελβετίας χθες, όπου ο πρωθυπουργός Μητσοτάκης είχε συνάντηση με τον Πατ. Βαρθολομαίο. Μπορείτε να διαβάσετε το δελτίο τύπου παρακάτω στα αγγλικά και στα ελληνικά. Ανακοινώθηκε ότι ο κ. Μητσοτάκης προτίθεται να επισκεφθεί το Φανάρι «στο άμεσο μέλλον για θέματα που αφορούν το Πατριαρχείο και τη διασπορά». Η τελευταία λέξη, «διασπορά», είναι όλα τα λεφτά σε αυτή την ανακοίνωση.

Γιατί; Κατά την επίσκεψη της υφυπουργού Εξωτερικών κας Αλεξάνδρας Παπαδοπούλου στο Φανάρι τον περασμένο Νοέμβριο, η ελληνική κυβέρνηση εξέφρασε την απογοήτευσή της για τον Αrx. Ελπιδοφόρο, ιδιαίτερα επειδή αποτελεί διχαστική δύναμη στην ελληνοαμερικανική κοινότητα. Θυμίζουμε επίσης ότι ο κ. Μητσοτάκης και η ηγεσία του υπουργείου Εξωτερικών (Γεραπετρίτης, Παπαδοπούλου) δεν εμφανίστηκαν ΚΑΘΟΛΟΥ στο Συνέδριο των «Αρχόντων της Συμφοράς» στην Αθήνα στα τέλη Μαΐου. Αυτό συνέβη παρά το γεγονός ότι ο Ελπιδοφόρος είχε ανακοινώσει τον κ. Μητσοτάκη ως κεντρικό ομιλητή στην εκδήλωση – προφανώς για να τον αναγκάσει να συμμετάσχει. Η απουσία του Βαρθολομαίου από το Συνέδριο των Αρχόντων θεωρείται και ως προσπάθεια του Ελπιδοφόρου να εξαναγκάσει σε συνάντηση με τον Μητσοτάκη. Όλα αυτά έχουν αποτύχει.

Χθες ξαφνικά μάθαμε ότι ο Ελπιδοφόρος εμφανίστηκε σε Θεία Λειτουργία στη Βόννη της Γερμανίας με τον Μετ. Αυγουστίνο για τον εορτασμό του Αγίου Αυγουστίνου, την ονομαστική εορτή του Μητροπολίτη, ο οποίος, όπως όλοι θυμόμαστε, εκπροσώπησε τον Πατριάρχη στην ενθρόνιση του Ελπιδοφόρου. Θα πάρει άραγε την πτήση μιας ώρας για να επισκεφθεί προσωπικά τον Βαρθολομαίο στην Ελβετία; Είναι μια εύκολη εικασία αν με ρωτήσετε: το Πατριαρχείο έχει μόνιμη βάση στην Ελβετία, στο Sambezy, και έχει στενές σχέσεις με το Παγκόσμιο Συμβούλιο Εκκλησιών. Υπάρχουν πολλές δικαιολογίες για μια συνάντηση πρόσωπο με πρόσωπο των δύο.

Ποιες δυνάμεις κρύβονται πίσω από την αντικατάσταση του Ελπιδοφόρου; Να πάρουμε στα σοβαρά τη θέση ότι ξαφνικά, η ελληνική κυβέρνηση νοιάζεται για την «ενότητα» της Ομογένειας/Διασποράς; Πότε στο παρελθόν μια ελληνική κυβέρνηση έχει εκδηλώσει ενδιαφέρον για τον «διχασμό» στη διασπορά; ΠΟΤΕ, από όσο μπορεί να θυμηθεί κανείς. Ναι, η σχέση του Ελπιδοφόρου με τον Ερντογάν είναι γνήσια και πραγματικά υπονομεύει την ελληνική εξωτερική πολιτική. Ωστόσο, ήταν ξεκάθαρο ότι ο Ελπιδοφόρος ήταν Τούρκος πράκτορας πριν από την εκλογή του το 2019.  Το Helleniscope ανέβασε μια μεγάλη κόκκινη σημαία με βάση το άρθρο της Σοφίας Ηλιάδη στο Veterans Today τον Αύγουστο του 2018 (σύνδεσμος εδώ) και άλλες πηγές.Υπήρχαν πολλά διαφορετικά σημάδια δυσκολίας κατά την άφιξη μαζί με τον Ελπιδοφόρο, φυσικά.

Τι ισχύει τότε; Το Helleniscope πρότεινε ότι η έρευνα του FBI για τον Δήμαρχο Έρικ Άνταμς, που ξεκίνησε στις αρχές Οκτωβρίου, συνεχίστηκε τον Νοέμβριο με την έναρξη μιας προσπάθειας αντικατάστασης του Ελπιδοφόρου. Και οι δύο περιπτώσεις είναι πολύ ενεργές, και πρόσφατα, ένας άλλος δημοκρατικός πολιτικός στη Νέα Υόρκη, ο Jamaal Bowman, βρέθηκε να υποστηρίζεται από τουρκικές ομάδες (σύνδεσμος εδώ). Τόσο που η Χίλαρι Κλίντον ανακοίνωσε την υποστήριξή της στον αντίπαλο του Τζαμάαλ Μπόουμαν στις προκριματικές εκλογές των Δημοκρατικών!! Έχω δηλώσει από το περασμένο φθινόπωρο ότι η AIPAC και οι Ισραηλινοί λομπίστες βρίσκονται πιθανότατα πίσω από όλα αυτά και θέλουν να καθαρίσουν τις ΗΠΑ από τους πράκτορες της Τουρκίας.

Τέλος, μια λέξη οφείλω στα άλλα κοινοτικά μέσα που βγήκαν ξαφνικά κατά του Ελπιδοφόρου. Πρώτον, πού ήσαστε για πέντε ολόκληρα χρόνια; Ένας από εσάς (Ε.Κ.) ήταν σιωπηλός επειδή “τα έπαιρνε” από τον “διαφημιστικό προϋπολογισμό” της Αρχιεπισκοπής – αλλά αυτό τέλειωσε, σύμφωνα με την παραδοχή τους. Είναι αυτός ο ρόλος σας στην κοινότητα – να ασκείτε κριτική μόνο όταν κάποιος σας βλάπτει ή σας ωφελεί οικονομικά; Το άλλο (HellasJournal) ήταν κυρίως σιωπηλό – ακόμα και μετά την επίσκεψη του Αρχιεπίσκοπου στο Τουρκικό Σπίτι της Νέας Υόρκης τον Σεπτέμβριο του 2021.  Ναι, έκαναν μερικές αναρτήσεις κριτικής και μετά τίποτα – χρόνια σιωπής… Και γιατί επικρίνετε τον Αρχιεπίσκοπο μόνο για σχέσεις με τον ισλαμιστή Ερντογάν; Ο πρωταρχικός διχασμός που έχει προκαλέσει στην κοινότητά μας έχει να κάνει με τις ανοιχτά «woke» πολιτικές του και την αποδοχή της ομοφυλοφιλίας, μαζί με άλλες πολιτικές του αντίθετες με την Ορθόδοξη Πίστη και Παράδοση. Αυτά έχουν εκδιώξει εκατοντάδες χιλιάδες Ελληνοαμερικανούς από τις ενορίες, ενώ πολλοί πήγαν στη ρωσική και την Αντιοχειανή Ορθόδοξη δικαιοδοσία. Είστε φωναχτά αντιρώσoι, αλλά αυτή η μεγάλη μετακίνηση Ελληνοαμερικανών σε φιλορωσικές Εκκλησίες δεν σας ενοχλεί; Τι έχει να μας πεί ο “θεολόγος” κ. Καλμούκος; Τον ενοχλούν ΚΑΘΟΛΟΥ αυτά τα σοβαρά θέματα πίστης; Γιατί είναι σιωπηλός; Μήπως επειδή το αφεντικό του, ο Διαματάρης, εξέφρασε ανοιχτά τη στήριξή του στο νομοσχέδιο για τον γάμο ομοφυλόφιλων που εισήγαγε ο Μητσοτάκης;

Πότε θα πάψουν τα κοινοτικά μας ΜΜΕ να υποστηρίζουν ξένα προς τον Ελληνισμό και την Ορθοδοξία συμφέροντα;

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Mitsotakis: He met with Bartholomew in Switzerland – They talked about the reopening of the Halki School
The Prime Minister informed Mr. Bartholomew of his intention to visit Istanbul in the near future
Kyriakos Mitsotakis had a meeting with the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew today, on the sidelines of the International Conference for Peace in Ukraine, in Bergenstock, Switzerland.

During the meeting, issues related to the Patriarchate were discussed, while satisfaction was expressed for the fact that there is positive movement on the issue of the reopening of the Theological School of Chalki .

The prime minister informed Mr. Bartholomew of his intention to visit Constantinople in the near future for issues concerning the Patriarchate and the diaspora.

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Μητσοτάκης: Συναντήθηκε με τον Βαρθολομαίο στην Ελβετία – Μίλησαν για το ζήτημα επαναλειτουργίας της Σχολής της Χάλκης

Ο πρωθυπουργός ενημέρωσε τον κ. Βαρθολομαίο για την πρόθεσή του να επισκεφθεί το επόμενο διάστημα την Κωνσταντινούπολη

mitsotakis_oikoumenikos_patriarxis_

Συνάντηση με τον Οικουμενικό Πατριάρχη Βαρθολομαίο είχε σήμερα ο Κυριάκος Μητσοτάκης, στο περιθώριο της Διεθνούς Διάσκεψης για την Ειρήνη στην Ουκρανία, στο Μπέργκενστοκ της Ελβετίας.

Κατά τη διάρκεια της συνάντησης συζητήθηκαν ζητήματα που αφορούν στο Πατριαρχείο, ενώ εκφράστηκε ικανοποίηση για το γεγονός ότι υπάρχει θετική κινητικότητα για το ζήτημα της επαναλειτουργίας της Θεολογικής Σχολής της Χάλκης.

Ο πρωθυπουργός ενημέρωσε τον κ. Βαρθολομαίο για την πρόθεσή του να επισκεφθεί το επόμενο διάστημα την Κωνσταντινούπολη για ζητήματα που αφορούν στο Πατριαρχείο και στην ομογένεια.

22 COMMENTS

  1. Nick, as much as you wish to promote the narrative that Elpi is on his way out, he is not. Additionally, the woke agenda of Elpi, which I thoroughly reject, is not the primary reason that people are abandoning the church. A priest friend told me of a survey taken in his parish where 15 families who had left the church were interviewed to determine the reason why. The 3 main factors were, too Greeky,, services are to long and the people aren’t friendly.

    • Life will give the answer to this… Already we are witnessing an anti-woke tsunami in Europe and in America… Tjis alone will make his keeping his position close to impossible.

      • Hey Helleniscope ..we don’t need an Anti -Wolk Tsunami in Europe or in America ..we need a Populist Wolk tsunami on the Established Political Ruling Parties of America .. the Republican and Democratic criminal enterprises whose clients are Banks, Wall Street, Energy, Drug , military contractors, foreign leaders , and MSM and Social Media outlets who use fascist capitalism to dominate world ! In reality, the woke crowd may be a little misguided in who they may support , but overall they actually attack the Establishment Swamp and their clients , i mean Helleniscope , they make our enemies their enemies .. and that is a good thing ! Right! And as for JK …tell us something that all Greek have known ..since the Greek Orthodox Church was established in America
        Why do you think … they call it the “Greek Orthodox Church” I have a scoop for you Jk .. they even .. take holy communion with one spoon and one chalice ..which is another historic issue but to my knowledge just about everyone who is Greek Orthodox take Communion with one spoon and one chalice! If this is why they are leaving .. then they have been in the wrong church from the beginning!

        • Michael, I checked with my friend to understand what was intended with the statement, too Greeky. And he stated that there is more of an emphasis on being Greek rather than being an Orthodox Christian.

          • Reeeesaaaalllyyy… That would be a good thing if it were true! If the Churches were interested being Greek more Greeks would go to them. Truth of the matter the Churches are anti-Greek and then anti-Christian… Without knowing Greek you can’t really be Christian or it’s becoming extremely hard… How can you parse the Holy Scriptured, Holy Tradition, the Holy Canons without knowing Greek? From misguided or partial translations? Please. The gem of our Church is it’s access to the primary texts and the history and tradition of Christianity. As for Greek culture and history which is embraced and loved by everyone on the planet? I find it hard to believe Greekness is a reason to leave the Church… But those that do they can go elsewhere, trust me they won’t last there long.

      • Remember popular and democratic will is not respected in our tyrannical oligarchical system… The European people voted against warmongering and what did the oligarchs do? Double down on warmongering and genocide… We need to put more pressure on the oligarchy… Which can easily corrupt and puppeteer even democratically elected leaders subverting the will of society. Resistance has to be at all levels from the bus, to the school to the Library to the Farmers Market to the restaurant to the playground… Resist and stand your ground everywhere!

    • There was an accelerated exodus following Covid. GOA lost the most, then OCA. Antiochians gained a little, but the real winner was ROCOR. Why? Because ROCOR quietly resisted the draconian measures for the most part. So while we were told that we’re spewing poison by breathing and don’t love others because we dared to suggest that communion multi-spoons were blasphemy, some people discovered a version of Orthodoxy that was not pushing the boundaries of propriety, and that had a degree of piety they had not experienced in the GOA. Sure, their singing is different and you stand a lot more, but most of the people who found refuge there, stayed. That includes some who were Greek-born.

      • The exodus is relating to the disfiguration of our Churches which have regressed to being mere money grabbing social clubs for fake elitists with minimal liturgical and sacramental life and places of genocide against Christianity, including Ottoman style purging of the Greek language…

    • Fathers? A Father sacrifices himself for his Children he doesn’t cannibalize then like these do…

  2. Even if Elpi is replaced (I’m still not 100% convinced)

    I have about as much faith in Mitsotakis and Bartholomew putting a holy man in as Archbishop of GOARCH as I do putting a rabid coyote in a chicken coop…I actually might have more trust in the coyote.

    The Clergy-Laity is upcoming and it’s undoubtedly going to bring more scandal from Elpi. Unfortunately will probably go unnoticed. The monastics will be there and if they do nothing then my hope for GOARCH might actually be lost.

    • Clergy-Laity are superficial social events where spiritual and canonical malfeasance is being inculcated into our parishes and where the servility, ignorance, lack of brains, gut, spine and balls is confirmed by our so called leadership clergy sbd laity… It will be so much fun to watch actors pretending to be priests without Rasso and Kalimauki…

    • Hmmm … Schismatophoros will only leave America to become Patriarch which will be the ultimate curse for our Church. So it’s better for us to suffer under Schismatophoros than all of Christianity suffer under him would he become Patriarch. He only option is for Schismatophoros to be sent back to a monastery and contemplate what he did wrong… Mocking the sacraments, violating the Holy Canons, Holy Traditions and Holy Scriptures… Nothing too serious, right?

    • Well… These leaders come from us… so thank you for the candor and self-criticism . People forget that we are the problem. We are too scared or too servile to speak up, we always think someone else is responsible and someone else will do the hard work of respecting, preserving and disseminating our Holy Scriptures, our Holy Tradition, our Holy Canons…

  3. Some churches now rent the entire facility, usually to Protestant
    schools or churches, during non liturgical hours.

    • That shows you the ignorance, servility and incompetence of the leaders of those communities. The usual excuse is… “Oh there are no congregants in our neighborhood”!!!!! As if our Church is for the Greeks only! Our Church is for everyone and our Churches should be the places to promote the Greek language and Christianity of which we are the only true carriers off… Yet, lazy, ignorant, servile and incompetent leaders would rather collect rents than to do the work to promote the Greek language and Christianity! How is it that all the elite High Schools and Universities teach and promote Ancient Greek but our Churches seem unable to!

      • Quite. But the churches would continue to run as long as there are donors who want those churches as marketing instruments. In the big cities, shippers funded the churches, but in the small towns, the diners saw the churches as marketing instruments. Then they only show up at the Our Father just in time for coffee hour. Only the old ladies who bring Prosforo show up for Orthros.

      • I do have to quibble with your probable misuse of the term “ancient”. Aristotle and our church is in Classical Greek which people in Greece refer to as Archaic. But Homer is in Ancient Greek. Paul wrote so clearly that most literate Greeks who try can understand him. The other evangelists did not write clearly because Greek was not their native language like Paul. This confusion has allowed many westerners to claim people in Greek “don’t really speak Greek because they are not really Greek”. There is a scandalous book from Oxford, W Sidney Allen’s Vox Graeca, which insists y-psilon is pronounced as U but then discounts evidence from Hindu and Hebrew which contradicts him because he relies only on Latin. In fact, the Book of Lamentations, with its alphabetic listing, shows how it is Greek and Hebrew which have MAINTAINED their pronounciation while others diverged.

  4. Mr, Wilderness, as St Paul stated,”it is better to speak 5 words in an
    Known language than 10, 000 words in an unknown language. ” Apparently, you don’t agree with the apostle. There are many saints who knew no Greek, so to state that you have to know Greek to be a Christian is heresy. I wonder why the churches in Greece are empty and yet they use all Greek.

    • Do you remember the post on the Herald where some priest reported a couple storming out because “They said Jesus was Jewish”? Or on the Indiana list where some convert was told on visiting Greece that he was a bad person for abandoning his ancestral faith for orthodoxy. Many of the “Greekists” think it is fine for others to practice their language in their religion. In Flushing, many Greeks admire the Koreans for their adherence to “their religion”, not even noticing the GOA actually has Korean language churches in Korea. And they scratch their head when an actual Korean shows up in the Greek church.

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