EDITOR’S NOTE (Nick Stamatakis). You see, the rejection of the same-sex marriage bill by the Greek Church forced the Patriarchate, after months and months of avoiding it, to also make a statement against same-sex marriage and “spoiled the soup” of our modernist “theologians” and the Fordahmites who are already promoting LGBTQ ministries in our parishes!! Yes, my friends, they believe they will have a chance to change Orthodoxy… Yet they are now very worried: their globalist supporters have lost the war in Ukraine, and they are losing on every other front… The nail in their coffin will be a Trump victory in November, which will send the whole system of immorality and corruption packing…
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Phanar theologian bashes Greek Church for rejecting same-sex marriage law
A theologian from the Patriarchate of Constantinople believes that the communiqué by Athos on the non-acceptance of LGBT marriages is anachronistic.
The advisor to the Patriarch and theologian of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, Archdeacon John Chryssavgis, criticized the protests of the Greek Orthodox Church against the law on LGBT marriages adopted by the Greek parliament. His article was published on the website of the Fordham University Center for Orthodox Christian Studies, Public Orthodoxy.
Commenting on the decision of the Synod of the Greek Orthodox Church against the law on gay marriage, as well as the protests of individual clergy, Chryssavgis stated that “Orthodox hierarchs and circles feel the need to express disproportionate fervor and excessive alarm on the current debate around the same-sex marriage bill that just passed in the Greek parliament.”
In his opinion, “Morality is one thing (perhaps open to the moralism of the Church), but legality is another (with far less room for criticism, even by the Church).” Chryssavgis noted that it is precisely the state that has granted the Church “the right to cling to conservative and—in its opinion—unequivocal rules or inviolable regulations.”
The theologian of the Phanar is confident that what unites the sphere of faith and legislation is that they are still evolving.
“<…> just as the domain of faith or spirituality presupposes an ongoing process, so too democracy or modernity is a work in progress. Neither is static or exclusive; both aspire to and strive for maturity and integrity. Moreover, neither is resolved by protest or populism; on the contrary, both require engagement and interaction,” Chryssavgis believes.
He is convinced that statements like “One cannot be gay and a member of the church (or, for that matter, a Christian!)” are unacceptable, hence the communiqué by 40 abbots of Mt. Athos against the law on LGBT marriages “is if nothing else anachronistic and hypocritical”.
“It is regrettable that the Church appears ‘primitive’ on matters pertaining to science and law (including such issues as civil marriages and digital identities)—namely, with regard to everything that has emerged in recent decades, even centuries—yet ‘pioneering’ in the dissemination of conspiracy theories. And although we are in the 21st century, some hierarchs still insist on identifying homosexuality with pathological symptoms that require psychotherapy or conversion!” the theologian of the Phanar comments with outrage.
He noted that with the “militant support” of Mount Athos, “Just one year after backing itself into a corner on the question of baptizing children of gay couples, the Church of Greece is now even reconsidering infant baptism.”
For Chryssavgis, it is “paradoxical and pitiful” that “when compared to their religious or spiritual counterparts, some lay and nonreligious people ultimately reveal greater understanding for and solidarity” with sodomites, who, in his opinion, “are disproportionately spurned and marginalized”.
“The world may not listen to the outdated monologue of the Church,” concluded the theologian of the Patriarchate of Constantinople.
Earlier, the UOJ wrote that according to Rev. Dr. John Chryssavgis, it is time to talk about sex and gender in the Church.
Maybe he would be better off converting to the heretical Ukrainian Church.
He is a heretic…
This will never stop. These advocates for the institutionalization of perversion will never back down. They will do to the Orthodox Church what they did to the Anglican Communion (the faithful stalwarts in the Global South excepted.) Once the gay lobby gets their way and changes the law in their favor, they will celebrate for a day and then go right back to work, this time to advocate for an even more execrable level of profanity.
Yea and the the lobby of the aberrants has the tribe of the hooknose indians to back them up. Without them no woke would have taken place. Their target is the White Christian.
Οι ΝΥΜΦΕΥΜΕΝΟΙ ΓΙΑ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΔΡΟΓΥΝΟ!
Οι ομοφυλοφιλοι ΔΕΝ μπορουν να κανουν γάμο , κάτι αφυσικο και αλλόκοτο , αλλα μπορουν να υπογραψουν ΣΥΜΦΩΝΟ ΣΥΜΒΙΩΣΗΣ !
One of the worst quotes he made is not cited in the body, but you have to click on the link:
“…With the legalization of same-sex marriage, Greece becomes the first Orthodox-majority country with equality in civil marriage….”
“equality in civil marriage”…what a “patristic” choice of words from an Orthodox clergyman…disgusting!
The antiphons of Holy Thursday evening (Holy Friday orthros) are approaching….Αρχοντες λαων συνηχθησαν κατα του Κυριου, και κατα του χριστου αυτου…
Also, as the Triodion reading about the separation of the sheep from the goats draws near, let’s look at some “resume highlights”, which include a passion to defend the “alphabet soup” narrative…
– He came to Elpidophoros’ defense for the Glyfada baptism scandal
– He quickly comes to the defense of Mitsotakis, who has already been formally excommunicated long ago by Amvrosios of Aigialia a few years back, and now other Metropolitans are joining in this action…
– He posts on the Fordhamite website…
– He is an advisor to Bartholomew…
– etc
One has to speculate if all this controversy will eventually lead Greek Dictionaries in the future to redefine the term “Χρυσαυγιτης”… as a follower of the opinions of Chryssavgis…let’s all pray that he doesn’t succeed in gaining such a following, because that would be terrible…
By the way, did the term “Fordhamite” formally make it into the English dictionary yet? It probably should, given it is used quite broadly these days…
“…Απο τους διαβασμενους θα ερθει το κακο…” (evil will originate from the “educated ones”)…- St. Kosmas the Aitolian
It would be nice if the hierarchy of the other Orthodox Churches would officially and in solidarity back up the Church of Greece and condemn the teaching of the Chryssavgis. Why are they all scared? I will say at least the Russians have been steadfast on the issue.
This “theologian” is morally depraved.
Are there any clergy of the Patriarchate in Istanbul that are stalwart defenders of the True Faith, the Faith of the Fathers, the Orthodox Christian Faith? Or are we only left with smiling faces in robes, who distance themselves from the Tradition of the Fathers, constantly shifting and wiggling like worms that cloud the puddles on the ground?
Lord have mercy on us all.
Deacon Chryssavgis is flat out EMBARRASSING sell out…
he may have theology degree but needs to face his miscalculations and humble down, humble down bc he’s devolved into a weasel.
Empirical fact remains: the spiritually immature, brainwashed pc John Chryssavgis has not had the coveted
Experiential degree that every illumined saint has…
no amount of Oxford academia will grant that to anyone!
Even C.G. Jung observed:
“Intellectualism is a cover-up
for the terrifying mystical experience”
ZOEY…WHETHER IT IS BARTHOLOMEW, AN EVANGELICAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE U.S CONGRESS OR lAMBROS….ALL OF THEM ARE BLIND ..BECAUSE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM NARRATIVE HAS ALREADY BEEN DESTROYED ..WITH THEIR SILENCE AND SUPPORT OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS ATTRCOCITIES COMMITTED BY JEWISH ZIONIST REGIME OF THE UKRIANE ,iSRAEL AND FUNDED BY THE ZIONIST REGIMES OF GREECE AND AMERICA ! WHAT THE BARTHOLOMEW , AND EPI REGIME IS A COMPLETE “EXORCISM” TO REMOVE THE DEMONIC POSSESSION OF THERE SOULS BY THE GREAT DECIEVERS OF AMERICA !
THE WAR FOR THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF ALL CHRISTIANS IS ON …BECAUSE WITHOUT CHRISTIAN VALUES AND BELIEFS …THERE IS NO MORAL BAROMETER TO STOP THE COMPLETE LAWLESSNESS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER !
“It is regrettable that the Church appears ‘primitive’ on matters pertaining to science and law…” – an arrogant and stupid statement.
In 2005 in the first draft of the John Jay University report on clerical sex abuse in the Catholic Church, there was a near perfect statistical correlation between homosexuality and the clerical child abuse! That first draft and those conclusions and data were spiked by their “bishop’s conference.”
In fact, statistics are extant for centuries, but definitions were changed – conveniently – to hide uncomfortable objective truth.
For 17 centuries the West has had a serious sodomy problem. This was pointed out repeatedly, and by their own Saints as well as by Saint Photius the Great, which is one of the big reasons they hate him with a purple passion.
Having children adopted into sodomite families is wicked child abuse. The mouths that speak lies needs to be stopped.
The longer these themes continue to come up in such public debate, the more trust diminishes from the Patriachate. The history of the institution of the EP warrants our respect as it is a beacon of hope and truth, however choices to push policy and conversations publicly like this causes chaos and confusion.
The throne of Constantinople has been occupied by heretics at various times throughout its long history. This is a known historical fact, and history unfortunately repeats itself when people aren’t careful.
We certainly respect the institution and its historical significance, but the faithful have an obligation to call out anyone that soils the institution with non-Traditional and non-Orthodox innovations…even if that “anyone” includes the sitting Patriarch.
The Church consists of the people too…the people read scripture and the Fathers as well…the people and their intelligence should also be respected by those in ecclesiastical power. The era of illiteracy where people were “dumb” blind followers of the “men in cloth” is long gone…respect is a two way street. In St. Paisios’ words, “the people know holiness when they see it…”
Passive silence will only be “rewarded” with additional corruption and heresy…
This dude cleric sounds psychotic or secretly perverted within himself.
Hey John boy —
leave the Church the hell alone
& go join has been Episcopalians.
Enough of you!
He is another sold soul for power and money in the Masonia. They insist on this big sin; but why cant they quote something from the bible/testament that homosexuality is accepted and it is not a sin and reference it!
Unlike in the bible in many scriptures its quoted that its NOT accepted and is A BIG sin as in these scriptures:
Genesis19:1-13;Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Timothy 1:10; Jude 1:7;Romans1:26-27;Corinthians 6:9.
Now can these evil patriachs,bishops,priests,politicians and other idiots reference anywhere in the bible that that homosexuality is NOT a sin and its ok by Gods Laws and creation? In the meantime they should ALL leave the Greek Orthodox Church and go where ever else they want; instead of pushing this agenda and slapping Christ, God the Mt. Athos Monks and all of us Orthodox believers with their One World Order Agenda of destruction that they are apart of! Its a disgrace to all of us to have these dark evil doers as our leaders in our church! We should STOP supporting them and going to their events etc..or not even attend the churches for awhile and see how much $$ they will loose! they will be powerless if they dont have an audience and money; thats what feed their demonic egos!.Like the bible says beware of false prophets! God will destroy us again as he did in Sodom and Gomorrah and worse if this evil sins continue; and God help us all whats coming next? Polygamy and incest becoming legalized? thats part of their agenda as well! PLEASE lets STOP supporting them even if it means staying in our homes and praying without these evil leaders!
SHAME ON YOU JOHN CHRYSSAVGIS YOU FILTHY “ROT”